Awakening of the Beast: Special Edition
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by Dishmcds
Today, I stand here at this podium, speaking about the situation going on around the world. There is certainly an eruption awaiting us any time, in the form of an invasion into friendly soil in South America. What started several months ago for a power hungry country in Asia is certainly coming to fruition, with the invasion of South America, a peaceful continent whose citizens have never been outwardly aggresive towards one single country in the history of our World.
I'm not talking about Real Life, nor any "friendly rivalry", I'm talking about eHistory. The only battle Argentina has faced was the defence of South Africa, a just and worthy cause, yet now we see Indonesians and Brazilians, upset at their own inability to learn how to occupy and strengthen their own countries without the use of warfare, which is largely their own incapacity to manage their people, which has caused this world event.
So, now we turn to what can be called a Cold War. We find ourselves in a pickle, really. Outwardly, Indonesia and Brazil will say they're waiting to see what Spain does in Portugal. Inwardly, they're too cowardly to follow through with it, knowing that the joint forces of Atlantis, numbering well over fifteen thousand troops, with the capabilities to send more than ten of those into Atlantis from their native countries, will be waiting for them.
They claim aggression from Atlantis. It was not Atlantis that invaded China, India, Australia, and South Africa. It was not Atlantis that engineered the takeover of Poland, nor was it Atlantis that masterminded this act of heartless aggression.
I will warn you once: Atlantis, and all of it's members will not look kindly on these acts should you choose to initiate battle. We have the size and power to turn your entire Alliance upside down, and will choose to enact that authority if provoked. Do not test us, for you will only accomplish one goal:
To awaken a sleeping Giant, and unify us into the World Power we are.
Think long and hard on these words. Declare anything you want on Atlantis, but remember this isn't your little sister you're talking to.
Dishmcds
Prime Minister of the United Kingdom
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Fantastic Article Dish, right on the money.
You don't speak for me Dish, ATLANTIS is just a group of cowardly power hungry imperialists who's paranoia over losing their power and wealth drove them to huddle together. You wont always be able to hide behind overwhelming numbers, and when you cant, you will feel the peoples glorious justice.
ATLANTIS isnt agressive Adrian.
"They claim aggression from Atlantis. It was not Atlantis that invaded China, India, Australia, and South Africa. It was not Atlantis that engineered the takeover of Poland, nor was it Atlantis that masterminded this act of heartless aggression."
ATLANTIS is not aggressive eh? What about Norway, occupying the whole of Russia in their quest for imperialistic domination. An alliance is only the sum of its parts, and from many leaders of ATLANTIS countries I've heard no talks for freedom and peace other than the lies spouted to cover up excuses for expansionism
@ Adrianis mate do you know whats going on in the world atm? or ehistory? Norway took over Russia but if you see it gave the Russia back to the Russians. The rest of the countries under Atlantis are agreed invasions. Eg. Belgium, the people of Belgium agreed on UK taking them over. So if you see Atlantis has always been fair unlike PEACE who have occupied countries like Australia.
P.S could India be removed from this list? I have learned that the guy who was the Indian President at that time had agreed to this invasion. Now I am in talks with agent about freeing India
Excellent article Dish,they only understand brutal force nothing else.
And when you oppose them, they flee like rabbits.
My little sister is dead. An Atlantis member raped her and killed her.
@srachit, I'm sorry but your ignoring the fact that they took over Russia, they didn't give it back at all but even ignoring that, Norway invaded and occupied it, that is aggressive, that is imperialism.
Agreed invasions? Agreed by whom? The presidency? Congress? They don't speak for the people, getting to put a little mark by who you want in power is not democracy, we still get no say in what they choose to do.
If I am not wrong then Norway took over Russia before the treaty of atlantis was signed. Now they have given them freedom.
Agreed, lets see, by the people. If you havent seen the people of belgium are very happy with EUK rule if they were not happy then they would have revolted or something. And EUK has also many times told Belgium that they will get their freedom if they want.
Adrianis, Belgium are already a mostly independent country, they have their own rules and laws and run their country separately from the UK, furthermore, they are free to leave the United Kingdom whenever they wish. The Russian situation worsened because they used a loophole in the agreed upon terms to gather PEACE support I'm not sure what's happening there, but PEACE countries aren't offering freedom. That's a fact.
srachit no they did not give them freedom, there was a resistance war which the RRF won, and that was just 1 of Russia's regions. And as i said concerning it being before the treaty was signed, the alliance is just the sum of its parts i.e. if imperialists make up the alliance its not going to strive for any other goal
Squiddy, by no means am i advocating PEACE, they and ATLANTIS are both as bad as each other, NEITHER offers peace, NEITHER offers freedom, BOTH move to control and dominate and BOTH need to be and will be stopped
If the Belgians want to be occupied that's fine, I'm very happy for them, but others were not so willingly occupied, they were forced into submission, and i highly doubt all the Belgians wanted it
lol adrians now I see why you are making such stupid statements your only 2-3 days old. Firstly Russia and Norway agreed on giving Russia its freedom that is why the resistance war took place. Secondly the only way for a country to get its freedom is start a resistance war.
Ok, so tell me why so many fought AGAINST the resistance war, and indeed why Salve the Norwegian president shout
"Norwegian and ATLANTIS soldiers! The RW is not sanctioned by the government of eNorway, please join the defenders!"
Why should it have to be sanctioned anyway? It was an occupation. The Russians had every right to freedom without needing the Norwegians to grant it. That is exactly what i am talking about.
That meant that the Norwegian's had not agreed on giving Russia back its freedom and they asked the atlantis soldiers to come and stop this war so that the people of Norway and Russia can come to a agreement. People were fighting for the resistance coz it was agreed by russia and norway that will they decide on the future course of action the wall should be kept between 60,000 to 90,000
P.S try to get your facts correct before insulting anyone.
I insulted no one, and my argument stands. The Russians shouldn't have had to settle for Norwegian rules. The RW was justified.
look, there is something called NEGOTIATING
its what was happening in Russia and Russia only have 1 region cause you can only liberate one reason at a time.
Oh my gosh, you keep on talking about Norways invasion? LOOK AT PEACE they have conquered tons of regions and you ignore them?
And finally didnt you read? people fighting against the wall were just getting some experience becuase it was obvious the wall would fall
Adrianis, bloody communist troll, whether you will admit it or not the "power of the people" would be ludicrous in this environment. If we sat back and let whatever people happened along determine our nations destiny we'd all be worshiping Dio and toiling in the sand mines.
@Adrianis: I'd suggest looking up some world history before trying to insult someone. For someone who's been around for all of about two weeks, I'm sure you know all there is to know about Russia. Do you know how the CPSE (now the RFF) didnt starve when the old Russian regime was in power? I can tell you, because I was there. The RFF, who were in negotiations with the Russians (who would have been taken over by one of the PEACE countries had Norway not intervened and acted first) started the RW because Hatebot got impatient.
I'd tell you to get some facts before you started arguing, because you know little to nothing of our world history. You know nothing of Global political history, Belgium, and so on. Spouting "Power to the People" isnt going to win you an election, and last I checked you're positive input has been little to none at this point. Let's try accomplishing something first.
I hope he understands something now, good reply dish
Right, I NEVER INSULTED ANYONE so stop claiming i did.
Secondly "Oh my gosh, you keep on talking about Norways invasion? LOOK AT PEACE they have conquered tons of regions and you ignore them?" What the hell are you talking about?
I said "Squiddy, by no means am i advocating PEACE, they and ATLANTIS are both as bad as each other, NEITHER offers peace, NEITHER offers freedom, BOTH move to control and dominate and BOTH need to be and will be stopped" I never ignored PEACE, simply focused on ATLANTIS as they were the alliance being talked about
Thirdly, Communist troll? I try and help people ffs, i try and stop people like PEACE and ATLANTIS using their power to oppress people
Fourthly, Dishmcds this is my 3rd day in this game, far less then 2 weeks, and yet ive done a hell of a lot of research, read stories and comments from both sides, i know the backstory, and thats what i base my argument on. Now im going to insult you, you piece of s**t, i can read no matter how many game days ive been here, and i can easily tell what kind of people people are by reading what theyve said, it doesnt take long when everything has ALREADY played out, 3 days is plenty of time.
Its funny, from the opposition side ive heard 3 conflicting stories all trying to contradict me
A - The RW wasnt justified (as Salve's comment suggests)
B - People were only fighting against teh RW to get xp (despite what Salve's comment says)
C - HateBot went behind Norway's back in negotiations and started a completely unsanctioned war
So tell me, which is true? Frankly i don't care, the Russians deserved freedom and they fought for it, and won. Long live the revolution, i say.
Lastly, for referance, im going to repeat the PRESIDENT OF NORWAY's shout out
"Norwegian and ATLANTIS soldiers! The RW is not sanctioned by the government of eNorway, please join the defenders!"
Well, I'll leave you with one little fact you probably didn't know about the Russian Fight For Freedom: Did you know the RFF actually made Hatebot apologize for starting without clearance?
I'm guessing not, which invalidates everything you've "read". The Press Releases don't exist anymore, and I can actually say that I have done something for the Russians before, which I don't think you can. Once again, 3 days in Erepublik to catch up on 12 months isn't going to get you anywhere. If you have ideas, then by all means put them forward, but being as brash as saying "capitalist imperialist cowards" when in all reality you don't know me from the next guy is rather insulting.
Can you tell me who founded Atlantis? Can you tell me who was the first alliance, and why it was formed? I doubt it, but then again I doubt you'll try either. You're probably going to simply go out of your way to spout "Power to the People" once again, without realizing that "People" is the only power in Erepublik.
Actually Dish, i did know that. I've unnoficially joined them, I'm on the forum. It doesnt really matter either way. And who cares who founded the alliance? All i need to know is whos in the alliance, what they did, and that the alliance didnt care, or actually supported the acts. And for the record, not once have i said "Power to the people", not that i disagree.
I've got enough backstory to form my opinion, and "capitalist imperialist cowards" is fact, not directed at you i might add, though i wouldnt be surprised.
You mean that the RFF has asked to be in it? So you don't care about the Alliance the party you're "unofficially joining" is trying to be a part of? That's rather odd, no?
Not really, ive strongly expressed my opinions to manifesto, if they do go ahead with it I'll leave, go elsewhere, search more for some true form of Socialism, real freedom fighters and supporters of true democracy. And no, i asked to be with them, not the other way round, feel free to completely ignore my other points with evidence as much as you like, though.
What evidence? The fact that you take everything everyone says as truths? That's called naivety, not "evidence" nor "fact".
Fact: The Russians got impatient, and Hatebot started the Resistance War too early. He later had to apologize for it.
Fact: The Russians have applied to Atlantis for membership, which is partly due to Atlantis sheer size and capabilities and partly because Norway didnt want them in PEACE.
Fact: You're three days old acting like you know everything about everything.
Fact: The CPSE could have very well starved way back in January. Ask them, they'll tell you. Ask them who the capitalist imperialist scum was to come to their aide and help them in their time of need. Not that you'd know, though.
"Lastly, for referance, im going to repeat the PRESIDENT OF NORWAY's shout out
"Norwegian and ATLANTIS soldiers! The RW is not sanctioned by the government of eNorway, please join the defenders!""
Thats a pretty defining bit of evidence you ignored, twice now
"Fact: The Russians got impatient, and Hatebot started the Resistance War too early. He later had to apologize for it."
I know, and i don't care, they had every right to
"Fact: The Russians have applied to Atlantis for membership, which is partly due to Atlantis sheer size and capabilities and partly because Norway didnt want them in PEACE."
As i said, i know and I've told Manifesto how i feel about it, and if they do join then I will leave Russia and the RRF
"Fact: You're three days old acting like you know everything about everything. "
I act on what i know
"Fact: The CPSE could have very well starved way back in January. Ask them, they'll tell you. Ask them who the capitalist imperialist scum was to come to their aide and help them in their time of need. Not that you'd know, though."
Why bother? That was a long time ago, things change.
lol. They had every right to go around the diplomatic process. That means you'd made the best President in the world.
The President of Norway wrote that in response to Hatebot becoming inpatient. He also wrote another calling for a ceasefire when it was agreed, and yet another when they came to an agreement on the Russians freedom.
Picking and choosing which evidence you're going to listen to sounds an awful lot like naivety. Might just be me though.
And history repeats itself, many times over. Should probably pay attention in history class from time to time.
Oh im sorry i didnt see "fact that you take everything everyone says as truths? That's called naivety". Now thats either defining evidence or defining evidence that Norway is also LYING imperialist scum, which if you condemn HateBot for dishonesty then.....well your a hippocrite then
I at least listen to both sides BEFORE making my mind up. That's called listening, and having your eyes open. You could be stuck in Korea. I heard they're having a wonderful time gaining their freedom. Be thankful you have such wonderful people to talk to.
Picking and choosing? not at all, i simply use what is relevant. Might i add that that is the 1 piece ive used. Anyway, im done here. You've said absoutlely nothing that contradicts what I've said, i will carry on reading in, but my opinion wont change. I know what ATLANTIS and PEACE are, i know what they do, and of course you would disagree, your one of them
And you shall be too, soon. Have fun with the Atlantis-allied RFF. 🙂
"and yet ive done a hell of a lot of research, read stories and comments from both sides, i know the backstory, and thats what i base my argument on"
Thats what i said, ignore it if you will, i always look at both sides and never base what i argue for on political alignment, im well aware there are lying scum on both sides
And again like i said, I will leave them if they do join ATLANTIS
Your a great president, try to read all of what your people say
"Thats what i said, ignore it if you will, i always look at both sides and never base what i argue for on political alignment"
Yes. Obviously from your arguments, vulgarity, and so on we can all obviously see that you're level headed and open minded.
I am, and in being so i can clearly see that true Socialism, as Marx wrote, is the best way for society. The imperialists, the capitalists, and the fascists are enemies of this idea, and so, they are my enemy. I am not bogged down by anti-left propaganda, because i can see that people f**ked it up, its not how it was supposed to be. You should read the 'Communist Manifesto' written by Karl Marx, then you would understand.
""Thats what i said, ignore it if you will, i always look at both sides and never base what i argue for on political alignment""
For example, me and Stalin were both Socialists, yet there is no one i hate quite so much, very few i could disagree with on so many levels, i would never argue for what he did, he was disgusting. It is not what i base my argument on. I base my argument on experience and reasoning.
I've read Marx. The problem lies in it's execution, which is a human issue and will never be solved. Therefore, if you truly feel that Marxism is the way to go, you'll be alone considering it cannot nor will not be implemented in it's entirety, since the part that is messed up is the human involvement.
Wrong, the problem was the wrong human involvement. It can, and will be implmented in it's entirety, as it should have always been. And believe me, i am FAR from being alone in that. If humans are what ruins it, how could a human have come up with it?
lol, shut up adrianis =-p
"Glorious Justice"
lols
By the way, not acting soon will lead to not acting in time to stop a wave of Asians sweeping through South America.
Adriana's mate, Dish is right.
The FIRST shout made by the President DID call for people to defend the wall because Hatebot got impatient. Then it was issued that the wall be kept between 60-70 I think it was??? Then we were ALL instructed to help the Russians fight for freedom.
"So you're taking an RL theory and implementing it in "it's entirety, as it should have been" in a role-playing game?"
No, i was talking about RL in that whole paragraph , im well aware of the limitations of this game
Human tendencies hold true whether you want to believe it or not. That was the problem with the institution of Communism, Socialism, and any other -ism you want to throw out there. Even in Communism, you have to have a figure head to lead, and eventually at some point it becomes flawed. Humans, by definition aren't perfect, therefore the institution of any policy is never going to be perfect. Communism relies on perfection, therefore it will be a falacy in it's truest form.
Once a FFF has been agreed on people fight for the other side to prolong the amount of training gained and to get the war hero achievement.
Who founded Atlantis, SBJ of the PCP, Tim09 of the PCP, Widdows of the PCP, KIA of the PCP were the UK delegation at the time with SBJ doing most of the work.
Communism doesnt rely on perfection Dish, thats such an ignorant thing to say. It also doesnt require a figure head, infact in communism no one rules anyone, everyone it totally free. Even Socialism, which im sure you are reffering to, doesnt require a figurehead, the whole point is that the workers rise up themselves and take control, themselves, without a centralised authority. That people think how the Bolsheviks and CCP did it is what true Socialism is just goes to show the level of ignorant anti-left propaganda we suffer from, if you had read the Communist Manifesto by Marx you would understand that that is not how it is supposed to be.
Society without leadership isnt Communism or Socialism. It's called Anarchy. Without a leader, things wouldnt get done. You would show up to work, and nothing more. We wouldnt advance, we wouldnt invent, and we wouldnt succeed.
You can claim the perfect utopic society all you want, but the reality of it is the reason it hasnt been done is because of the human element, which is what I said the first time. Human's arent perfect, eventually it fails, as we'll always give way to temptation. Argue the semantics all you want, history shows it wont work.
And for the record, yes, in true Communism there is no leadership, the theory is about the compelte dissolving of the state, the state owned industry, the police, armed forces etc. Stage by stage, the state dissolves untill there is no leaders to tell people what to do, no employers to control people, everyone owns everything and yes, it is very utopian and no, i dont think its possible yet.