A story about Sweden and Germany
Ministry of Foreign Affairs
Good evening. The Swedish diplomats are here again, this time to tell a little story about Sweden and Germany.
The relationsship between Sweden and Germany goes back a long time, to a time when Erepublik was still in the Beta, and Ziggyzag was the Swedish president. At least that was when interesting things started to happen.
In the end of April, 2008, Sweden had just conquered Denmark. The reason for that war is somewhat unclear, but rumor has it was some imperialistic thing. Other says that Grev Per had made fun of Sweden in the media. But that is not the point. Sweden was at the time satisfied with her conquests; there was no reason to keep going further south, into the land of bratwurst. But something changed the situation; Sulla, the german president, proposed an alliance with Sweden’s sworn enemies Indonesia and Pakistan. Ziggyzag could not accept that Sweden would be locked behind the evil warmongers of Dio Brando, and decided it was best for Sweden to conquer Germany before it was too late.
The war went well, the germans were simply too few to resist. Then, Sweden graciously proposed a deal to the germans. Their nation would live on, under a few terms. Germany could keep three of their regions, provided that they did not ally with any other nation. Exact terms can be found on the Wiki.
Germany accepted, and that was the end of the first war.
But, in late may 2008, Germany decided to invade Poland. The Poles were even fewer than the germans, and Germany conquered Poland entirely. Poland had always been one of Swedens most trustful allies, and one month later President Flammbar made a deal with the polish president. Sweden would conquer both Germany and Poland, and free Poland whenever possible. This was done, not all problemless, but still smooth. Since no nations could be freed until the RW-modul was released, Swedes, Danes, Poles and Germans lived under the same flag until V1 was released.
Sweden stuck to their part of the deal, freeing Poland as soon as possible. Sweden had no such deal with Germany, so they had to wait a little longer for freedom. However, in Novermber, Baden-Wurttemberg, Bavaria, Brandenburg, Thuringia, Saxony-Anhalt was freed with the help of Swedish military forces.
Now, we move to January, 2009. DKN was German president. Since the first independence wars, which were in fact not wars, Sweden and Germany had been talking about when to free the last regions. A major war in France got in the way, though. At this point, the deal was that Sweden was to keep Schleswig Holstein, a region with high grain. But Germany went behind Swedens back, conspiring with PEACE, Sweden’s long time adversary. On January 10, soldiers from all PEACE countries flew to Sweden, eager to fight for the German side. RW was started in the remaining German regions, all of which were successful.
After a while, the two sides once again established diplomatic contacts. Betamjau was in charge of the Swedish side, I was a mere participant. Germany tried to convince us that they in fact were neutral, and not involved in PEACE in any way. We found that hard to believe, considering their history, their demands and their MPP😒
. We was firm on one point, if Sweden and Germany were to be friends, Germany would in some way have to return Schleswig Holstein, as we said before the war. Germany refused, offered petty things like government controlled export of grain, and instead issued a trading embargo on Sweden. They also tried to shutdown our DS-Company, which by mistake was placed in Bavaria.This was done by raising the taxes to insane levels. We do not consider those acts of friends.
A few days ago, the Germans also threatened to attack Sweden. Or at least Syddanmark, which is Swedish at the moment. Of course it was an empty threat, since they are weaker than us. But still, we do not threaten to attack our allies.
I’ve tried to make this as brief as possible, to help the people of UK to understand why we and German are not to be considered as allies, or even neutral to each other. If it was possible, a large part of Sweden would want to make a coal mine of Germany. For these reasons, we do not want UK to get closer to them. Their loyalty lies closer to PEACE than to Atlantis, that should be reason enough.
Do not waste your time on distrustful allies; focus on the ones you’ve got, which will follow you to the grave.
Marten1000, Swedish Minister of Foreign Affairs.
Comments
Well Spoked!
Voted, nice historic article
I'd like to add that germany had plenty of help from indonesia and pakistan when conquering poland, which turned the population of sweden against them.
Nice, but not very balanced article.
Especially recent happenings are portryed extremely one sided.
Thanks for the little bed-time story.
Nice bit of Swedish propoganda there.
That's our area of expertise.
CV James, I wouldn't call the truth propaganda. I'd just call it... truth 🙂
It is propaganda because there are a many other truths missing to put the ones that were actually posted into perspective.
For example some unknown citizen talking about "attacking" eSweden seems alot less evil (as portrayed here), if you also mention that the eSwedish president likewise nearly wet himself over the prospect of attacking eGermany and "turning it into a giant Autobahn".
Also, eGermanys embargo and taxes might seem like a terribly mean thing to do, until you actually include the fact that this was a direct resut of and reponse to broken promises from eSweden. Instead of handing back a HUGE sum of DEM, as had been agreed, they used it to flood the market and cause massive inflation: Hence the trade embargo.
We never agreed to return that money, as I recall it.
As old-timers will remember, Germany tried very hard to shaft Sweden originally. Sweden showed great restraint in order to not keep Germany forever and fight any new German regions.
I also wouldn't be surprised if it was subsequently discovered that "German" soldiers were using Weapons and Wellness Packs bought with glitched Gold, as the eIndogoontards have been known to do...
Good speech!
voted, we must stay loyal to Sweden.
So as stated in this article, the entire reason for the conflict between Sweden and Germany is Swedish imperealism. Sweden didn't want any competition as the strongest power in North Europe:
"Ziggyzag could not accept that Sweden would be locked behind the evil warmongers of Dio Brando, and decided it was best for Sweden to conquer Germany before it was too late."
This whole thing is a farce and an embarassment for eRepublik. Sweden is just as guilty of everything Germany is, yet still Sweden persists with these lies and propoganda, whilst Germany actually makes an effort to establish itself again and develop it's nation.
Voted!!! As paddy says, old-timers (I'm the oldest e-UKer) know how much injustice Germany has already done to Sweden. It always amazes me how much Sweden tolerates the German insults.
Actually CV, almost all of that is true, not propoganda. I've always held both sides at face value.
Sweden has earned our trust, and I'll remain allied to them so long as I play Erepublik.
Germany, to me, must earn it, although I'm not unwilling to give them a chance. It's not an overnight thing, but establishing relations and getting things going that way would serve to possibly drawing things a bit closer.
Germany has made it's mistakes in the past, and you'd have a hard time finding an older German who wouldnt admit to them. Sweden has put up with a lot of it, and eventually it grows. They were actually looking into joining FIST before Poland took them politically and merged with Sweden (more or less).
I completely agree with you Dish, Germany has done stuff in the past I wholeheartedly condemn them for - but they have paid the price.
They are desperately trying to gain the trust of nations like ourselves, and Sweden is doing everything within its power to isoltae Germany further and further.
Germany WILL turn to PEACE if this continues, because it will have no other option. Something we don't want, and something Germany itself doesn't want.
Nice article. Well-spoken, full of good background. As CV James said above, if we don't be more careful and friendlier towards eGermany then they will join PEACE. We need them as an ally, not an enemy.
CV James, desperately? They started of with a Trade Embargo against Sweden. And then yet another one.
They keep our Q5 Defense System Company as a hostage with 50% Income Tax and 50% VAT.
They would bake you a Cake and dress up like the Queen in order to get an MPP with UK - not cause they like UK but because they know it would hurt us.
We are still having negotiations about Schleswig - Holstein. The latest bid from DKN is this:
a) S-H to Sweden.
1. One Swedish Region to Germany
2. 5000 Gold, 32000 DEM and 10000 SEK to Germany
3. One Q5 Hospital to Germany
4. MPP for the coming 12 months fully paid by Sweden.
So, that is how silly the talks are. eGermany, at least not the current leaders, do NOT want to be friends with eSweden. Don't be seduced to the wormtounges!
Misho you've gotta admit its tricky:
If we dont ally Atlantis nations people are blaming us to be a PEACE member,
if we DO ally Atlantis nations, people are blaming us for trying to hurt Sweden.
Someone's gotta make their minds up 😉
With 12 000 gold, we could vipe Germany from the map.
Mr Rorlikson, you can ally India. They you are in good Atlantis company.
Now you also have your first non-PEACE GC ally, Turkey.
Rubbish. Let the children sort this out themselves.
eGermany is not to be trusted.
Dear Mr Rorlikson, there is an easy way out of this. Return to the priginal plan of german independence which includes Sweden keeping Shleswig-Holstein. When that is done I'm sure we can all live in peace and heck, we might even trade with each others if you allow us to do that.
@CV, true it all started with Sweden fighting a free road out to Europe. We did however never attack Germany but we promised them that we will not accept a border against a a country allied with Pakistan and/or Indonesia. The vote for a MPP with Pakistan was a clear provocation against Sweden and we invaded them. After that we did however start a process for liberating Germany but got stabbed in the back a second time. Even after the second time we still tried to liberate Germany once more but third time around Germany decided to play hardball and with the help of PEACE they got all their original regions.
A point missing in the story is that after Germany had closed the borders the Or owned by Sebl and DKN started offering to buy swedinsh companies for less than what they would bring if downgraded! I got an offer for 50 Gold for my Q4-company for example. That is the kind of black mailing we have put up with.
There is still a lot of people in Sweden who hopes for a peacefull solution to this but nobody is prepared to trust anyone of those who have been trying to negotiate and fools us several times.
As for the proposed flooding of german market with DEM there has been none of that! We have only used the DEM to pay salaries in our state owned company and also paid some debts to company owners with parts of it.
One more thing, if Germany would accept to move back to the original plan of liberation there will not be any need for keeping a majority of MPP's with nations in PEACE GC. I'll offer to pay for the first months MPP with Sweden and UK!
we invested about 1000 Gold into SH, all Companies there makes a profit than 1000 Gold in a month (and this wasn't their full potential), when this region goes to Sweden than Sweden gonna the richest Country in Europe. Also you get a long term Border with Germany.
Nothing in the World is for free Misho, you know that, and also you know it was a Negotiations Base - I hope you know what means to have a Base, it give room for a discussion.
it is really unproffessional from you ...
and the other thing
to you kidding us ? We threat you ? Who wrote in the news "lets delete Germany" ? or "don't care of the danes when you run to Germany" ? Whose President ignore us ? or taking us unseriously ? who cry around the World hate Germany because they are liars,facist and those other bad things ?
I don't know what do you make in the reality that you get those creative Ideas of the sotries ...
and PS : I never closed the door for Negotiations or took any answer as unseriously ...
Toothpaste is ignoring everybody, even his own cabinet.
Let it be known Toothpaste has openly proclaimed his desire to "turn Germany into a highway to Rhone Alps" and "take back 'what is ours'"- so to claim Germany threatens Sweden is garbage.
Also remember when Sweden told Germany that they'd give us the DEM in their treasury- yet then then turned around and donated it away to pay for the Q5 defense company in Bavaria. When we raised a fuss over this, you told us that no contract was made and promises "weren't official" unless there was a contract. This, along with a labor shortage that the defense company was siphoning off, was one of the main factors behind the initial embargo threat.
Fast forward to post-uprising Germany circa mid-January. The Swedes were extremely upset over the loss of Schleswig Holstein, and considered it some sort of robbery from Sweden. Generally, whenever SH is brought up Sweden claims it actually rightfully belongs to them because of an "agreement" made between Sweden and Germany. However, how can this be valid? You used the argument that the DEM shouldn't be given back because no contract was made, and then you claim that Germany "promised" SH to remain Swedish? It doesn't make any sense. The only way you can possibly justify SH being Swedish is the treaty between Poland and Germany, however, if you actually read the clause about SH it actually refers to a "separate" special treaty with Sweden- a treaty that was never made. Does this nullify the original Germany-Poland treaty because it was partially incomplete? Possibly, however for Sweden to invoke the "promise" argument is hypocritical in the face of the DEM withholding 2 or so months prior.
The article is mostly true historically speaking- but it is biased and ignores the historiography behind many of the events. History is not black and white/dates and names, but a story with many perspectives and different backgrounds and aspects.
Look everyone, a Justin Tyme post.
God knows I disagree with Justin quite alot, but his argumentation is sound.
Either verbal agreements are honoured, or not.
@ CV James
'So as stated in this article, the entire reason for the conflict between Sweden and Germany is Swedish imperealism.' No the first time they did because they felt threatened the second time they were defending an allie, and I'm assuming you realise that is a good thing.
>Look everyone, a Justin Tyme post.
OMG it speaks!!
Good god. I was president at the time Justin and let me tell you this: there was never, in any way, any promise to give Germany any DEM. We never promised you anything, yet you keep bringing that up.
Either you're delusional or plain lying. Don't know which is worse.
Take it up with DKN, Danny
Regardless, you yourself told me that you disliked contracts.