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It is interesting.

you use a picture of the famous marxist/socialist (che) towards a cartel of capitalists. 😃

@CDV

Well how can you be so sure I am heading on the capitalists direction 😛 .There are socialism in capitalism 😁

already registered in forum, but have so many questions about it 🙁

Nov, Lunching?

It is a bit funny to have Che Guevara as the patron saint of this operation, but from what I remember from his life story (the film), if he reincarnated today, he might have wanted to do things differently anyway.
Marx argued that Industrial Capitalism must precede the Communist Revolution.

i wanna join!!!!

note: somebody should make a sticky threads in the forum linked it to your forum

@amer59

Well you can ask me directly.

@Mr. Aleph

Well in economic term I view socialism is the best even thou there are things that need to be push out of it and take in a few things from capitalism

good luck!

Oh I see.. you had a more centrist Socialist idea in mind.. i was misled by the picture of Che Guevara and your self-proclaimed 'rebel' title 😃
Well that is fine.. Communism seems very hard to implement in erepublik anyway (this game was designed by an Eastern European after all...)

lol well communism is a failed ideology.Socialism is a working ideology.btw,the 'rebel' thing was not self proclaimed.CDV gave it to me in a PM when he was angry at me for criticizing him on something I can't remember :{P

lol... whats the history between you and CDV anyway?
I'm not sure if Communism is a failed ideology.. still too early to tell. It hasnt had a chance yet to be implemented in a globalised era. It has to fail globally before you can say it failed completely. Marx said it had to be preceded by industrial capitalism, so we wont have an answer to this qustion until/if the whole world reaches industrial status (capitalism has mainly become global now)
Depends what you mean by 'fail' i guess
And no, i'm not really a communist, in case you were thinking that.

Well CDV was my first mentor actually and than when I become older I decided to take my own path but in any case even we have some problems approaching on certain issues we are still friends 😁.

We I consider communist failed because look and RL N.Korea.Can't feed its own people while China have abandon the communist economy and took the capitalist economy.Even USSR use socialist economy approach instead of communist approach.

Noveras, those aren't/weren't true communist nations.

The USSR practiced Leninisim/Stalinism, which were both variations off of true communism.
China practiced Maoism, which was another variation.
North Korea practices Juche, again another variation.

To my knowledge, a country attempting to follow Marx's ideas to the letter has never been done.

x2 what Nicholas said
Plus, its only been 150 years of so since Marx.. globalisation might have caught up with the Soviets and the Chinese, but their Communism was enacted too hastily if you took Marx's theory seriously.
Che Guevara's mistake: tried to start a communist revolution in the Bolivian countryside. He should have moved to Detroit instead
first, industrialial revolution in Europe --> global capitalist economy --> global industrialisation and techonological advance = right conditions for global communism?
If that is the case, we are still at least 50 years away from this, if not much longer

i don't think noveras was 'rebelling' against me at that time. he has plenty of 'enemies' already. hahaha.

i studied che guevara's history a while back. Interesting fellow. Certainly a bloody marxist. The hippies then made him into a martyr. For all i care, he was a politician and military leader - not to mention terrorist.

the closest and best communist group in-game would has to be the indonesians PKeI. Anarchist is better word for them.

lol... its true, he did hijacked by Hippies, and even corporations jumped onto the Che Guevara bandwagon by mass producing images of Che in t-shirts, posters etc... for a hip, trendy 'rebellious' new generation of consumers.
I remember seeing a burger chain recently that had 'Mao', 'Ho Chi Minh', 'Lenin' and 'Che' burgers.😃 That capitalism marking their territory completely.$
eIndonesia politics looks fascinating.. very chaotic, and no doubt multi driven.. but still fascinating

errrrrr..............how can this from lunching LOMB forum changed into about communism and Che???

@CDV

sometimes someone need to say what needed to be said even at the cost of making enemy 😁

@ Noveras: Because you launched a business forum with a picture of Che Guevara 😃

wow i just noticed this article. excellent discussions here

Maybe LOMB can be changed to LAMB (League of Associated Malaysian Businessmen)
then we can lunch on LAMB... i like lamb 😃

@nove - i always believe in free speech. 🙂 that said, sometimes, some criticisms or noise seem to be just for the sake of themselves. I want LUMB.

League of Unretarded Malaysian Businessmen

Hey, its THAT word again: 'retard'! 😃

@CDV

Only those who doesn't like the criticisms would think that people who give the criticisms do it for their own sake and not for the good of the mass 😁