The Brazil Boil
Miyagiyoda
South Africa have unequivocally told Brazil to leave. They refuse to comply. Like a nasty boil on our buttocks they continue returning to irritate and inflame our country.
We will fight until they are gone. We throw everything we have until they are gone. We will agitate allies and friends alike for help until they are gone.
This will only end when we are victorious.
This is our land. Stay out.
Amandla, Awethu.
Power to the people.
Create your destiny.
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"South Africa have unequivocally told Brazil to leave. They refuse to comply."
More like eSA backstabbed eBR and then expected it to leave in peace. Not gonna happen, I'm afraid.
Backstabbed how?
There was a rental contract going on for more than a year for some regions. As usual, eSA requested the payment and it was sent (renewing the contract for another month). Two days later, eSA signs MPP with CUA (Argentina + Uruguay), at the same time as starting multiple RWs in rented regions (not just theirs).
Granted they returned the money (after more than a month, but returned it), but the fun part is that they never actually asked for the contract to be ended. Oh, and the fact that eBR was under attack by the joined forces of CUA + TWO - which ended up erasing the country for a short while - didn't help either, of course.
Just for some context, I've been in the brazilian Ministry of Finance for a while now.
Rental contract has not been renewed for the past 3 months now to the point where the money was returned. Before that it was never signed each month by both CPs as required by the contract and has actually been void for over a year.
There is no contract.
You are grasping at straws in an effort to sooth yourself that Brazil's abusive behaviour finally broke all South African goodwill to Brazil and caused a reaction.
I have been in South Africa's Cabinet for awhile now.
IANAL, but my understanding is that South Africa (IRL) follows some principles of common law?
By those principles, the simple fact that it was being executed (and by that I mean rent was being paid, the regions were being rented and used with no further complaints, and eSA was not signing MPPs with direct enemies from eBR) would not be enough to declare the contract valid?
No rent has been paid for 3 months now. What does you common law say about that?
In terms of ours, you are squatting, and since you do have a home of your own, we are under no obligation to provide you alternate accommodation as enshrined by your right to housing.
You, however, are depriving us of income from our property and are thus thieves depriving us of our right to economic freedom and our right to own and utilise our land as we see fit.
Spin it how you want -- you are no longer welcome because you were bad tenants. Go home.
Well, of course. You guys opened a war - you are the ones that signed with Argentina and Uruguay. It's no longer a business transaction, it is pure and simple war - and as the smaller country, it's pretty likely that you won't have any advantages.
As I said somewhere else, I believe it could have been different if only you guys had said "hey, we don't want the contract no more, please leave at the end of the 30 days" - that's called diplomacy, and I'm afraid you guys are really bad at it.
We've had this discussion NUMEROUS times in the past. "Is Brazil really our friends? If we ended the contract would they leave?" I think we have our answer. Brazil was using eSA for bonuses and didn't care about our welfare at all.
Brazil:
1. Take over eSA
2. Pay them a small amount of gold per region
3. Profit
I might be an optimist, but I strongly believe that if you guys had just asked (you know, nicely, "we don't want to renew the rental agreement"-style) we would not be having this discussion.
No country in the entire eWorld agrees to have a bordering declared enemy. It is no longer a matter of friendship, it became a matter of dealing with potential threats.
As a lawyer, I'm afraid the Brazilians sorta have a point. If South Africa is accepting payments, it's pretty much agreeing to the contract even without continued negotiations. Only immediate rejection of the payment would indicate a will to break the contract.
However, as an extremely experienced player and Minister for Foreign Affairs of Ireland, I have to ask nW0lf and other Brazilians what they expected? Long term occupations leave a bad taste in the mouth, and you should have expected to be attacked in this manner eventually. Especially given the economic nature of the occupation, any of your enemies that wanted to weaken you would identify South Africa as a good place to strike due to local opposition to occupation.
I agree with you there, this could have been handled way better by both sides. I'm surprised it lasted this long, a rental contract that lasts more than a year is at least... unusual. eBR had been through a bad war with eSA as ally before (and eSA bravely helped BR not to be fully erased by being erased itself), so the relation was unfortunately taken for granted.
Of course, CUA took great advantage of that - only to than have Uruguay take the regions for itself and not give them back willingly, lol. Oh, the irony...
Do you honestly think that is what happened? Because if so then I'm sorry that you can't digest reality.
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Maybe it is time that Brazil start to look at other regions instead of keep lusting after eSA.
There are not many people in eSA who want Brazil as an enemy, but there is no one here who want you on our soil.
We've taken bullets for Brazil more times than I can count, Brazil has ignored our requests about as many times.
Regardless of how butthurt Brazil is at the moment they should try to view this matter with some sort of honour.
Now this is so very true. Spot on. I cannot see why we can't be friend, but being friends does not mean they have to be on our land.
Why is having some of our land the only way they see as a token of friendship?
They cannot see this because they do not understand that a true friend does not only do things for personal gain, but because they actually genuinely care to make the other person happy. They are like that sexual predator who is only nice to girls to get into their pants otherwise treats them like dirt. When they resist or don't put out; he simply helps himself and calls her a bitch. They cannot be true friends because they only view relationships as a transaction.
Wrong bird, buddy. Evolve.
Yeah, and most brazilians are grateful for those times.
You must see, however, that regardless of how 'butthurt' eBR is there is no way anyone would let a declared enemy unchallenged along its borders. By signing with Argentina and Uruguay eSA became exactly that - an enemy and a threat that has to be dealt with. You proved that you are willing to attack eBR directly, you did it while eBR was weakened, and there is no way anyone is going to let that happen again.