[Azure] Open Letter to Asteria / Nyílt levél az Asteriának (EN/HU)
Azure Falcon
Dear Asteria,
As you are all aware, Hungary has recently proposed Romania as natural enemy, and the YES votes almost reached the 66% needed to pass the initiative. I would like to give you insight into the background of this result, and what it means for the future.
For those of you who don’t know me well, I was the country president of Hungary in February (in addition to two earlier terms back in the old days). During that month I have tried several times to strengthen ties with Asteria for the benefit of both Hungary and the alliance. It has been almost a year since the then governing Hungarian president decided to officially leave Asteria, and though we never switched sides (not during the 6,5 years I’ve been playing this game), our position inside the alliance diminished over time to the point where we were treated as a LETO country or less.
When I came to power in February, I saw this problem and decided to change it. It would have seemingly served Asteria’s interest to have a country with our firepower (not the biggest, but certainly not negligible) fully integrated into the alliance once again. It would also have benefited us to have equal voice in the alliance. However I did not succeed. Not because I did not try hard, but because what I found myself facing was an alliance that purposefully wants to treat Hungarians as second-class citizens. This attitude is especially true with regards to the February SG (Manu Cab - many say he is a puppet and it would be hard to argue against it) who shut us off all the channels where we could coordinate together. The reason for this behavior is twofol
😛on the one hand, Asteria leadership viewed Hungary as a country who would not hit against them anyway. On the other hand, if Hungary stays by Asteria anyway, there is no need to give them any influence when they can just feed off it’s damage without providing anything in return.
During my presidency I kept the public informed about all of the not super-secret events, and consequently they also knew about this cold reception that Asteria is giving us. It angered most of them, not just me. Discounting Serbia, who we all deem our closest ally, no one could really come up with an example where we were helped by the alliance. On the other hand, quite a few of our population remembers the times when Ukraine, aided in great deal by Romania, Greece and Argentina conquered our capital (including prominent government members tanking against us). You branded us traitors for signing an MPP even though later on many of the member countries also followed suit.
Let me paint you the picture of the common view in Hungary about Asteria:
1) It is an alliance that is half-filled with countries who conquered our capital
2) It is an alliance that constantly blocks us from being members (due to a Romanian veto)
3) It is an alliance that still expects us to hit where they need it
Based on the above, it should not come to anyone as a surprise that the public is highly dissatisfied with Asteria. This is apparent in the result of the March elections, where a president with deeply nationalistic views came to power.
Many of you have accused us of switching sides. This is not likely to happen and the NE proposal also failed. However it is worthy of consideration what exactly you intend to mean about "sides", when in reality no one feels that Asteria as an alliance is on our side.
And this is where I would like to make my point: this was not the first NE proposal, and will probably not be the last one either. You can see the trend, more and more people vote YES each time than before. The moves that Asteria makes in the near future will affect this situation hugely. If you don't do anything about it, you see what is going to happen. I don't have the influence to sway the opinion of an entire country towards Asteria, nor will I even try to, if everything remains that way. I am not trying to threaten you, I am asking you to revise your policy towards us, as it leads down a path none of us want to go.
The ball is in your court, Asteria. Make sure you play it well.
Regards,
Azurefalcon
3×CP of eHungary
Azurefalcon
Magyar verzió:
Drága Asteria!
Ahogy az már köztudott, Magyarország nemrég NE-nek jelölte Romániát, és az IGEN szavazatok aránya kevés híján elérte a 66%-ot, mely a kezdeményezés elfogadásához szükséges. Szeretnék betekintést nyújtani nektek az eredmény hátterébe, egyúttal megosztani a lehetséges jövőbeli következményeket.
Azok számára, akik nem ismernek, én voltam Magyarország elnöke februárban (illetve még kétszer a régi idők során). Ciklusom alatt többször próbáltam erősíteni kötelékeinket az Asteriával, ami mind Magyarország, mind a szövetség számára előnyös lett volna. Majd' egy éve, hogy az akkori magyar elnök döntése nyomán elhagytuk az Asteriát, és bár azóta se váltottunk oldalt (sőt, soha a 6,5 év alatt, amióta játszom), a szövetségen belüli helyzetünk jelentősen lecsökkent (egészen odáig, hogy már legfeljebb az egykori LETO országok szintjén kezelnek minket).
Amikor februárban megválasztottak, szembesültem ezzel a problémával és elhatároztam, hogy megoldást találok rá. Látszólag az Asteriának is érdekében állt, hogy országunkat (melynek tűzereje nem a legnagyobb, de közel sem jelentéktelen) teljes mértékben a szövetségbe integrálja ismét. Nekünk is előnyös lett volna, ha végre ért volna a szavunk valamit a szövetségben. Mindezek ellenére nem jártam sikerrel. Nem azért, mert nem próbáltam eléggé, hanem mert egy olyan szövetséggel szembesültem, amelyik szándékosan kizárólag másodrendűként számol a magyar játékosokkal. Ez a hozzáállás egyértelműen látható volt a februári SG, (Manu Cab - sokan bábnak tartják és ezzel nehéz lenne vitatkozni) hozzáállásán is, aki kizárt minket az összes csatornáról, ahol érdemi egyeztetést tudtunk volna folytatni. A viselkedésére kétoldalú a magyarázat: egyrészt az Asteria vezetése biztos volt abban, hogy magyarok úgyis az Asteria mellett maradnak. Másrészt akkor mi értelme növelni a befolyásukat, ha anélkül is élvezhetik a mi sebzésünket a csatáikban?
Elnökségem során a szupertitkos infók kivételével mindenről tájékoztattam a publikumot, többek között erről a hideg fogadtatásról is. Ez sokakat feldühített, nem csak engem. Szerbián kívül (akik mindannyian a legközelebbi szövetségesünknek tartunk) senki nem tud felidézni egy momentumot sem, ahol az Asteria minket segíttett volna. Ellenben nagyon sokan emlékeznek rá, amikor Ukrajna román, görög és argentin segítséggel elfoglalta fővárosunkat (miközben ismert kormánytagok is ellenünk tankoltak). Árulónak hívtatok minket egy olyan MPP megkötéséért, melyet utána nem sokkal közületek többen is szintén megkötöttetek.
Hadd mutassam meg, hogy a magyar közvélemény szemében mi az Asteria:
1) Egy olyan szövetség, mely félig olyan tagokból áll, akik elfoglalták a fővárosunkat
2) Egy olyan szövetség, melynek esze ágában sincs felvenni minket a tagjai közé
3) Egy olyan szövetség, mely így is elvárja, hogy a kedvük szerint üssünk ott, ahol akarják
A fentiek alapján senkit nem kéne meglepjen, hogy a magyar közösség rendkívül elégedetlen az Asteriával. Ez látszódik a márciusi választásokból is, ahol egy mélyen nacionalista érzelmű elnök jutott hatalomra.
Sokan vádoltok azzal, hogy oldat váltunk. Erre minimális az esély, és az NE-javaslat is megbukott. Mindenesetre jó, ha elgondolkoztok azon, hogy mégis mit értetek oldalváltásnak, ha közülünk senki nem érzi úgy, hogy az Asteria az ő oldalán állna.
Végezetül szeretnék a lényegre térni: nem ez volt az első NE-javaslat, és minden valószínűség szerint nem is ez lesz az utolsó. Láthatjátok a tendenciát, minden egyes alkalommal egyre több az IGEN szavazat. Hogy mit lép erre az Asteria, az nagyban befolyásolhatja a helyzetet. Ha nem léptek, mindenki látja, hogy mi fog történni. Nem áll módomban egy egész országot a ti irányotokban befolyásolni, és nem is áll szándékomban, ha minden úgy marad, ahogy eddig. Nem fenyegetlek titeket, hanem arra kérlek, hogy változtassátok meg az irányunkban tanúsított viselkedést, mert ez egy olyan útra terel mindannyiunkat, melyet egyikünk se szeretne.
A labda a ti térfeleteken pattog, Asteria. Gondoskodjatok róla, hogy jól játsszátok meg.
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[Azure] Open Letter to Asteria (EN)
http://www.erepublik.com/en/article/2509994/1/20
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First real life is one thing and life in virtual simulation browser is another.
Now take into account a fact into the political game for me is lack of what to do.
Here no player is futile to argue with stupid things.
Take the game more seriously. Bringing motivations RL here isn't going to do anything!!!
Our Romania won totally against Hungary. That means that Romania is stronger REAL LIFE to occupy Hungary
GROW!
WE'RE IN THE 21ST CENTURY
THE PAST IS THE PAST
WHO LIVES OFF PAST IS MUSEUM
Seems like you didn't read this article. I never said a thing about RL. Thank you for your contribution...
He never reads anything. He's a complete lunatic troll.
🙂
well written🙂
Except it's all a lie. RO tried to mpp you several times and you declined. Ro even fought in the beginning of Asteria for HU and you still rejected. Yeah. Ro is to blame for your stubborness. How about some truth for a change? 🙂
I don't think, that's a lie, just an other point of view. I don't know, what happens in those rooms, I was not a member of gov since June, and I don't intend to be one.
All I can see, that there must be a strong will of the leading politicians to improve relations, even if it didn't succeed for the first time. What Azure wrote is all, what an average Hun player sees. Naturally, he gets his infos from the (sometimes disappointed) government, see the battles, and doesn't find his place in Asteria.
But still, feel free to share how you see these things (or how does an average Romanian sees it), just don't tell anyone, he is a liar. People usually don't like it. 😉
It's not how average romanian player sees it. It hapened. Ro proposed several times mpp with Hu. And Hu denied it. And Ro and Hu were both in Asteria. Azure failed to mention this.
The conclusion is that Ro is capable of getting past retarded nationalistic hatred. You didn't reach that point yet.
It's nice, I can appreciate that your congress is capable of that.
What our politicians feel and foward, that they get rejected. I cannot change that. 🙁
What our people see is the nomerous romanian (sometimes leading politicians), who hit against us (don't be mistaken, several Hun player hit against Romania too).
Yes, you are right, RO proposed MPP with us several time. Some time they even approved it.
But!
These MPPs were never agreed with the CPs. They could have say, that even if you propose, it won't pass. Because the congress won't let it. So we can say, these MPPs were for trolling.
Even if I think, it would have been better, if we sign that MPP, it won't change the truth, that we did not. We could not.
I remember the start of Asteria. Our commander inforced our order to fight for Hu several weeks in important battles for Hu. I remember this well. We fought for Hu even tho we didn't have mpp. So, i don't think those mpp's were troll. We actively tried to get closer to you. You ignored that instead.
I meant troll, as without the will of getting accepted, because it was not agreed between the CPs.
And yes, I sometimes see Romanians hit on our side. I find it a nice thing. Let's hope it gets better in the next years. 😉
🙂 Me too.
we just simply hate you guys as u hate us.
we dont need any furhter explanation!
I don't hate anyone. I do hate stupidity.
And we see that, when you let the to sirious to wipe hungary 1y ago... You remebre that? Bec. we remember that. If our "ally" did a big sh*t on us, expect to get that ro-hu mpp?
And you forgot that moment, our relationship is almost the same as cro-ser.
exEDEN citiezen are against us. So it was, it is, and it will be...
Say it im MONGOL!
I love mongols.
I love gypsis too then \o/
o/
Tolmácsot kérek! 😃
lesz később magyar változat is, csak Gobbi Hilda nem volt elérhető a szinkronizáláshoz 😃
AzurefaIcon wrote 24 minutes ago
[Azure] Open Letter to Asteria (EN)
http://www.erepublik.com/en/article/2509994/1/20
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Magyar verzió egy órán belül!
Csak egy gyönge Vida Ildis poén akart lenni 😃
Every story have two sides... but in the end it was Hungary that left Asteria in first place...
Yes, a year ago. And we tried to get back ever since, while you refused us.
Do you remember why we left it? Because half of greece and romania fought against us and steal our bonuses also ser ro and gre signed a nap with BG so they could NE us. Asteria betrayed us countless times.
loooool...eHungary teft because after it fought alongside ePolish players in RWing regions that eRomania hold then asked eRomania to NE eHungary's enemies and if not eHungary would leave...after eHungary voted down an MPP with eRomania...and eHungary is the victim ? Are you freakin' kiddin' me?
in pamantul tarii o sa te ingropam si pe tine!
bs
Such eloquence.
I can assure you about one thing, because from the start of Asteria HU liked to play with RO in any sort of way, next time when HU will start NE, even if the law will pass or not you will see RO army 🙂
fyi
Have FUN o/
Good, keep the threats coming. This only reinforces my point 🙂
Threatening won't lead anywhere. Sending an army either. Bc it will always an other army.
Lot of us has wounds caused by the other side.
There will be NEs, since you cannot forbid stupidity. (On both sides.) The only thing we can make is to improve the relationship on both sides. Starting with leading politicians. 😉
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About the bullshit part:
I was not in any gov since June. I don't want to be. Too much trouble for nothing. What I see, that our politicians blame Asteria for these little things, like trying to organise some campaign, but no help. Not inviting them in Asteria meetings, which I find really offensive. Not because we would be a part of Asteria. We are not (yet). But because there is a will to improve the relations. To be honest, is there anything important on these meetings? Anything, that a proAsteria country cannot even hear?
(I don't blame you, don't misunderstand me, I don't really know, who you are. I just saw, you threatened my country, and tried to point out, that it will not make anything better. 😉
Pleas explain this:
http://prntscr.com/6lpdea
http://prntscr.com/6lpvs9
http://prntscr.com/6lpdp5
http://www.erepublik.com/en/main/law/Romania/157576
http://www.erepublik.com/en/main/law/Brazil/157577
http://www.erepublik.com/en/main/law/Romania/157601
Romanian magic o/
Great article, I enjoyed it, very funny. Just one thing, shouldn't funny articles be on Social interactions and entertainment? I think you picked the wrong category.
Glad you had some fun reading this article. I wish I could say the same about your comment.
It was funnier in spanish, I swear (?
I believe you 🙂
You are a nice man 🙂
😉
Conquering Budabest will stay in your memory forever ))
Hope we'll do that again to refresh your anger o/
Haha, putin will conquer you, not ukraine us. 🙂
and then you...
no, putin will not conquer hungry, because puppet orban just licked putin's ass a month ago and served hungry on a silver plate to him
Maybe it can happen yes. Maybe not. 🙂
www.youtube.com/watch?v=L8DWQP3WuYw )