BREAKING NEWS: JCS takes Military AWOL
Gnilraps
Does the US Military belong to the people or the JCS?
16 Shells is in possession of a Top Secret Document that is about to inflame the tinders left holding Congress and JCS together.
Here is a secure link to that doc.
CJCS Bradley Reala, in a document distributed to the JCS and subsequently signed by them, has given the Military a Green Light to proceed with JCS War Strategy, even if without Federal Funding, and regardless of how Congress acts with respect to this funding.
Realla writes, “Congress decided to pass an amendment in their(sic.) Constitution that changed who leads the military.”
Yes Congress did this. Your Congress. The elected one.
Realla continues, “In their(sic.) Constitution they attempted to define who could and could not lead the military.
Yes Congress does this. Your Congress. The one elected to.
Realla implores the JCS, “Congress does not have the right to define who leads the military, you guys do.”
Actually, this is precisely what Congress has passed laws allowing them to do. So strictly Constitutionally, Realla is wrong.
Realla concludes, “On the eve of a major invasion they threatened to cut our budget completely. In return we have decided to go it alone. Despite Congress, we have decided to (proceed with JCS War Strategy) anyway, with a budget or without one. The eUS Military will continue to do what it has always done... defending the eUSA.”
In other words, your eUS Military is being conscripted privately by the Joint Chiefs of Staff.
16 Shells is not taking a position to judge the actions taken by Congress. They are elected to be Stewards of our Budget. This is what they have done.
Now their decisions are LAW.
Doesn't this make any actions by the JCS to usurp control back from congress a lawless act?
Again, debate the rightness or wrongness of Congress' actions elsewhere.
My question is this simple: By LAW, who has control over the Military?
Further:
It is true that Congress has made a direct run at reformatting the organizational architecture of Military, JCS (or perhaps MoD), and how it is funded.
This is a far different thing than saying that Congress is stripping eUSA of her Defense.
Perhaps the story in all of this will end up being about who chose these particular congressmen who are doing this work.
Congress represents the people of eUSA. They act because the citizens have empowered them to do so. If they act irresponsibly, we vote them out. But act they do. And their actions become Laws.
We follow laws. The other choice is Anarchy. And Anarchy by a group (such as Congress or the Military) has a special name: Particularism. And Particularism is unconstitutional.
The question is this: who is engaging in Particularism? Is Congress acting Lawlessly? Is JCS acting Lawlessly?
And what should rank and file soldiers do if their orders are considered lawless under the Constitution?
Why is this important to every eUS Citizen? Because your tax dollars are funding the experience points every Military person earns through serving you in Defense. Militias fund their own Battle Experience Points. The eUS Military gains its Battle Experience Points at your expense, as they should. You need to care whether you as a voter get to participate in how that money is spent. Congress is your only vehicle for doing so.
Our next President will surely have his hands full with this one.
-Gnilraps
Comments
pirinç, you are right
"Play our way or go away" elite slogan
We need to unite in a party based on each states citizenry
Congress should be sovereign. It has control over military funding as well as all funding but is always bullied out of asserting itself.
It is a terrible time to have this fight but that is no reason to avoid it. If Congress were treated with more respect in the first place and was allowed to be elected by the people rather than a closed circle, then much less of this sort of trouble would arise.
http://eusaforums.com/forum/index.php/topic,6027.0.html
you're the best journalist in erep. reminder to everyone: this is only a game. if anyone actually got hurt during these click-click "wars" then we'd be in deep crap.
If Congress in real life tried to do what Congress in eUSA is doing, they'd be in deep crap. A group with a vendetta against the military worked their way into Congress to pass absurd laws that go beyond power they should have. Unjust laws don't deserve to be followed like slaves.
Congress overstepping its boundries? No, never here. 😑
"If Congress in real life tried to do what Congress in eUSA is doing, they'd be in deep crap"
RL 😕= eRep.
http://www.erepublik.com/en/article/cjcs-rebellion-and-theft--1736296/1/20
milifags milifagging shit up. Nothing new
Pleas don't act like laws relating to the military just started with the current congressional group. As you all know this has been going on for a long time. It's more about the military believing that they don't have to adhere to laws. Wait not the military more like the joint chiefs.
It's like this: The Congress, by representing the People, exercise legal control over the Military. They do so by appointing (and replacing) JCS. JCS' powers are limited by Government, as all powers must be. Congress' power is limited by the vote.
See why an FEC-run election is such a big deal?
But your missing the point, that this month was an FEC elected congress. Ok we get it. We know that all parties coordinate with FEC but every month is not how it was this month.
Really the point is that many a non FEC congress, has passed laws that the military is not adhering to. And please believe that their our/were military members of congress who voted for some of these laws that are expected of the military to follow.
certainly true sunnygyrl315, and PiginZen has indicated that the problem dates back to at least his administration too, so it has gone on long enough.
Your point, I think, is that certain elements of the Military want to take a Federal Institution and treat it as a Private Endeavor.
In that, we are saying the same thing.
This is nothing new. The JCS didn't want any direction from me when I was president - I believe the term said to me was that I was a "button pusher."
In other words, the military leadership considers themselves the TRUE LEADERS and not subordinate to any elected official. It was true last March and it's true now. It's also the reason why I took six months off from the game.
Congress needs to fix this shit. Don't believe me? Ask Josh Frost or Colin Lantrip. They'll tell you similar stories.
Isn't such a huge leak if the document was posted in a board that all masked military members have access to.
@George We tried that IRL and it lead to a civil war. Just fyi....
No one has a vendetta against our military, well, except the huns and serbs, and perhaps Brad for leading it down this path of noncooperation.
It sounds like Brad wants to start a new militia, so leave all the orgs owned by the people of the eUSA, tanking funding, opsec and all the super sekrit inner sanctum spook stuff behind and go start a militia, you'll get 1/3 the funding per person that you get now, but if you are like the other militias, somehow you'll do more DMG. You can't have both!
As I said on another comment thread "I want to add that the military is filled with honorable, hardworking leaders and rank and file soldiers who deserve and desire leadership that they can look up to with respect and also know that their leaders have the respect of our entire nation. This includes the WH and Congress, for their work, and their leadership; which includes cooperation with and for the sake of not just the soldiers they lead, but for our entire nation.
We have many good military leaders, some already within the JCS, who can and will rise to lead our nation's military. I have no doubt that a rapid and thorough housecleaning will allow these new leaders to reform the eUSA military to be high functioning, DMG delivering machine we all know it can be.
Pull the ban-aid off fast! Let's get this over with immediately so new Military leadership can move quickly to leading our soldiers to the actual fun of defeating our enemies.
As a militia member, former 4x Congressperson and WH staff member, I look forward to the day we return to viewing our bros and sisters in the military as our partners and they see us in the same light... Partners FTW!"
So, if you imagine that's a vendetta, then you should join Brad's new militia.
Wingfield Wrote: It is a terrible time to have this fight but that is no reason to avoid it. If Congress were treated with more respect in the first place and was allowed to be elected by the people rather than a closed circle, then much less of this sort of trouble would arise.
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My Reply: That's one of the main problems with eRep Politics. You have people out there who view themselves as kingmakers who snipe people out just for the laughs and who snipe people in who don't really do anything but are friends with the vote controllers. Congress in itself gets the respect it puts out there. Most of the time you get the same 5 people who have personal vendettas against the military calling the shots and removing anyone who doesn't agree with them from congress. What you end up with is a congress beholding to 5 to 10 people who do as they are told out of fear of being removed and cut off. Sure there are exceptions but they are few and far between.
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Sunnygyrl wrote: Really the point is that many a non FEC congress, has passed laws that the military is not adhering to. And please believe that their our/were military members of congress who voted for some of these laws that are expected of the military to follow.
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My Reply: The military has been adhering to the rules placed upon it by congress. They do what the president tells them and where. Thats pretty much all the amendment put in place other than a removal clause that requires 80% of a sitting congress to approve it (Which they cant stick to so they are finding ways around proving their claims that the constitution is the law of the land is bunk). The whole situation started over a request to change one thing in the amendment and was then thrown upon by the same set of people who waited until the last week of congress (the lowest turn out week typically) to pass their amendment.
My favorite paper just got favoriter
''The eUS Military gains its Battle Experience Points at your expense, as they should. You need to care whether you as a voter get to participate in how that money is spent. ''
As far as I know, every american citizen was allowed to join no?
So Tax payer money can be handed to them as well.
@at relorian
The military adheres to what the president says so long as that isn't to defend brazil or fight spain you mean.
The main issue is that Congress isn't elected by anyone. No one legitimately decides who they want to represent them in this game. That is decided by the parties and FEC. So it's not representing the 'regular' players of the game. As such, why the hell should the military listen to these false representatives? Because a Congress which wasn't democratically elected decided they have to? It isn't the will of the people and the people are exactly who the military is charged to protect.
Deerslayer77 got screwed... pass it on!
AWOL?
The eMil stands ready, AS ALWAYS, to defend the eUSA. I demand an immediate retraction of this paper's use of the term AWOL.
Don't tread on me!
""If Congress in real life tried to do what Congress in eUSA is doing, they'd be in deep crap"
RL = eRep." from Jon VontalmoDay
funny that you can say just because its wrong real world doesnt mean its wrong in erep, yet im assuming he's all for the "JCS cant do this cuz its unlawful" group which is the exact same concept, just applied to a different team. i say go for it, erep is becoming more and more elitist and craptacular. this adds a whole new twist to a game that just isnt fun anymore. and yes i said game because yes this is a game
The eUSA is so screwed.
You guys are about to be invaded and the whole poli-mil war begins again.
Congress should be of the people, but is of the FEC instead. JCS is a joke and shoukd have been overhauled way back when PIZ was CP and NXNW was CJCS. The mil should be under the direction of the CP, with the Sec-Def as the policy advisor.
We don't need no water let the mutha fucka burn. Burn mutha fucka. Burn!
At least eUSA has three solid militias to protect it. If I was in eAmerican Congress, I'd try to pass a new budget giving more money to militias since they are the only defense left.
And I am sure the AFP (Armed Forces of the Philippines) got cha back too, eAmerica!