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this is bs. Sorry to say this mate. You're only chasing the pro-Belgian people to BP or MIB. And lmao. Belgium has more members by now, so it will not be hard to win the office thing.

One more comment: instead of shouting to devide, you might want to help unite.

i filled in: start a rw 🙁 but i'm not a citizen of the United Netherlands / Belgium
(hegje)

A party not the same as a country. The eUNL is there for every citizen! A party can be founded whenever some people feel they have the same interests. And whatever interest that is, UNL citizens have a right to form a party to further their interest.

I dont care when i people chase to BP. Just let them stick together, and made Belgium independence as soon as possible.

'One more comment: instead of shouting to devide, you might want to help unite.'

Exactly the point we already wrote: 'We are already United.'

@ perry, they dont have the same interest. They only see belgian. Thats all. Bp is one great grassland with hundreds of sheeps🙂

@ ArtemIvanov, BP does not want independence 😛
And it does not matter if they have the same interests or not, eUNL citizens have the right to organise themselves.

ArtemIvanov, I'm citizen of Eunl, like all BP member. As citizen, i can ask my country to have a better name (as i think). You can say it's a bad idea, I've no problem with that.

BUT you are NOT member of BP. So the BP name is not choose by you.
But, if BP members ask to change, we will discuss, make a pool an even, change.(perhaps you should join us?)

For the rest, you know... BP will never etc

I thought most people do know that BP is for a united country.
So asking them to go for independence is quite weird.

Many BP members are doing a great job for our country. Indeed they are for the Belgian interest, whatever that may be in eRepublik, but they fight for our nation. They have not only private business and are good warriors but are also active in the government. They are not sheep, but can be made devils.

What would Dutch players think about the name for our nation like Belgica (the Roman name for the area of our nation) or the Belgian Provinces. So a name change is not too much to ask I think.
They know it will not be done ingame, so no worries about the Dutch flag or the name the Netherlands, those will stay 😉

A vast majority of the Dutch wanted the merge with Belgium. A merge always brings changes and you can always become a minority. But that does not mean it is wise to blame the others for that.

Flanders and Brussels need to stay in the NEtherlands!
I don't want to live in Belgium 😉

I have to agree that it is unacceptable that BP wants everything 'Dutch' gone while they will keep 'Belgian'.

Getting quite sick of it, the Dutch group changed everything we had in order for the Belgians to feel at home.

@ cocoamok: We (I did) wanted the merge. And I looked at it with great hope. I always supported the union and i sill do.
But changing our name, removing 'Dutch' from companies, new name for the Flying Dutchmen... and way more examples...
I am pro-union, but this is going wrong.

So please dont talk about our responsibilities after the merge. We took it, now it is their turn.

State companies, the army are all things that are there for the whole UNL community. They need a neutral name.

But a party is something different. It not there for the whole community, it is there for an interest group and therefore it does not need a neutral name. Nor does a privately owned company or a newspaper need a neutral name.

It would seem everyone is bending over backwards for this name change yet not realising the huge logistical operation to edit all the webpages/documents and inform friends and allies. Plus in-game it will remain the 'Netherlands'.

Everyone accepts that an eBelgium isn't viable in the eWorld so perhaps those people should stop throwing their toys out of the pram and compromise a little by accepting the status quo.

I also think it funny that the Belgian Party is throwing its support behind this initiative yet won't contemplate a name change for their own party! hahaha Care to comment Slivever?

It seems to me that the Dutch are making most of the sacrifices. All we seem to ask back is cooperation and a name change for the Belgium party. Yet we arent getting both. Instead we have to keep changing the name of our country (ours too) which most of the Dutch dont support, pay for Q5 hospitals (Netherlands 1, Belgium 2) and share our high grain region. I am not against the merger and against Belgians but have you never heard of giving and getting. It seems the dutch will only get what we absolutely need (cooperation within the government) and not what we want.

Mitch : it's not holland people who paid for the two hospital Q5 but all the people (belgian et holland people) ... A lot of BP members make donation for the building of the first Q5 hospital ... DON'T FORGET IS !!! Belgian paid tax

"0.6% of the totall citizens/orgs in this country have completed our poll! This is a new record for us! Please keep doing this and we hope we can reach a good representation of the eUNL citizens."

wouahhhhhh it's a nice Opinion poll with a good representation of the country members

Wow, we have scarified a lot. We talk English on our forums (like the Belgians), we have changed the name in United Netherlands, we have changed the company names in UNL companies. We have changed the IRC channels in UNL. We translated Vliegende Hollanders in Flying Dutchmen.
The only thing what a lot of Dutch ask is for BP to change their name (like we never ask Dutch Link, nor Dutch Three Star) and when they will disband. As Perry Rhodan said the difference is the state and a party. So do think what you would ask for Belgians (even though most off you only believe in citizens) to compromise or to give at the state level.

Than about responsibilities of Belgians. We have a lot of them in government and also active on other fields. Indeed we could use more active people after the loss of many other Dutch players who were active for our nation.

Those people complaining about Belgians better make their parties interesting for Belgians, instead of being almost Dutch only.
One story about our past: SPV (now LSD) took their responsibility for many immigrants in our nation. Almost all other parties were against that.
I do know that parties as I&W and GLD do like to cooperate with Belgians, but I do think also that these two positive parties do know how to alienate Belgians too. Think what you can do, in stead of asking others to adjust to your requests.

I am glad I am not in the government because I do not feel any commitment for the loss of the Dutch and I think that is asked by many and I cannot give such things.
Kixtart would have been a fine president, ThomasRED is a fine too.
Deal with it!

Reading all those messages start to make me feel sick (as a Belgian). I'm afraid this will all end in an internal war where we will lose more than we will win. Nobody can ever be satisfied in this context. Everybody is just turning everybody against each other. In the beginning it was fun as we have plenty of possibilities on eRepublik but don't forget that the fun can easily switch in hate. Do we really want that? I ask our ePresident ThomasRed to take his responsibility to stop all this bull... . He has been chosen to be our leader, our boss, our chief. His job is NOT to find out a new name for our country. His JOB is to KEEP this country UNITED!

No offence to anyone Cocoamok, but, in your opinion the antonym of "to alienate" is "to kiss ass"? Because GLD sticks to its idea's, and supports the eUNL instead of defending "the Belgian cause" we alienate the Belgian?

I think documenting this ePolitical Crisis could be a great book to sell to the Belgian market.... ill call it

"What happend on the net and where you will be in 5 years"

Well, all this was bound to happen sooner or later. It's just like real-life really. Instead of improving our potentially great unity, we lose ourselves in bickering over names and details.

Also, that poll is crap. 14% of 0,6% of the people want the BP to disband?? Come on, I mean, the BP surely has a special position, being the only party with its roots in former eBelgium, but asking them to disband their own party? That's just BS (anyway, 14% of 0,6% is not really a significant number anyway).

I don't always agree with the BP, but asking them to disband is a sign of weakness. Sure, they're big and powerfull. And the answer to counter that, is that they disband themselves? Like when you're fighting some big dude, the most realistic way to win that fight is to ask him to shoot himself?

Let's get this crap over with and start working on the things that really matter.

"Come on, I mean, the BP surely has a special position, being the only party with its roots in former eBelgium"

Hey GVD also has roots in former eBelgium, don't forget that we're a merger between one old dutch and one belgian party.

I am sorry John, you're right. I should have said 'with all its roots in former eBelgium', or something along that line 😉

vanouze:

"wouahhhhhh it's a nice Opinion poll with a good representation of the country members"

No, its a good representation of the activitie outside the 2 clicks that the most players do at eUNL.

Not mutch you see...

Come now, guys, your nation is too nice to be torn apart by internal strife. You were just starting to have good opportunities!

let me join Olv007 in asking President ThomasRed for some leadership on this issue. Where is the President? He has been fairly quiet of late when compared to his usual high tempo/high visibility persona.

To Olv007 and HugoMacFartalot :
The name question is not a Presidential action. The name question is a government issue. It has been approved by all the government parties, I&W, LSD and BP. It's was described in the government program, and there was no reaction. The name question is not something that "politics guys" wanted, it have been asked by citizens. The government action is an answer to this.

How many citizins asked for it? Is there a pole? Was it a majority? I have never seen these kind of numbers if they exist so could you please provide a link?

BP NEVER change his name !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

John de Lange :

"Hey GVD also has roots in former eBelgium, don't forget that we're a merger between one old dutch and one belgian party."

Yes the only party who don't place any candidate for congress in wallonie since 4 month minimum

The party who want a union between flanders/brussels and Netherland with a wallonie independant

@Mich Rapp

How many citizens ? look the elections dude ... it was a part of our programm. We reprensent the people who vote for us. Easy to understand no ?

@ vanouze, are that citizens that know where the BP stands for, or citizins that only see the word Belgian Party. Maybe i should start a poll about that....🙂

ArtemIvanov : and what's the problem ?

You are LSD, the people who vote fou you vote maybe only because they love the red color no ? maybe you should also make a poll for this ..... And your party know our program and accept this with the coalition.

"Make the Netherlands independent! Make us a proud country again, where we can talk our own language again! Where we can find our national flag!

Let Belgium suffocate! They dont think about what we want, they only do what they want!"

i think you must create your own party with creveroeland and if you have enough vote maybe you ca😉

"Make the Netherlands independent! Make us a proud country again, where we can talk our own language again! Where we can find our national flag!

Let Belgium suffocate! They dont think about what we want, they only do what they want!"

i like populism and extremism 😉

Why does Belgian Party have to change their name? It was/is what they stand for, to protect the rights of the Belgian people within this union.

There is a difference between a political party protecting the rights of a certain group of people and between state owned companies or even the name of the state. I don't see BP members requesting the name change of Dutch Three Star. All I see them do is start discussions about cases involving the names of state organisations, state companies and the state itself.. which is not illogical, because this is a UNITED state and not a DUTCH state.

And so what if many Belgians vote for the party just because of the name 'Belgian'? Like all other people vote for principles, rather than name or friends... I know of many sheep voters and sheep party members, so it is really a nonsense comment to make.


And then about the results: 14% is not a lot, considering that it is implied that 86% does not care about it.

@dio! long time didnt see you🙂 but: "I don't see BP members requesting the name change of Dutch Three Star"

and the flying dutchmen? and the united netherlands? and the state companys? and more....

I&W and LSd was agree (and stay agree) with the coalition programme.
Together, LSD and I&W have a majority (outside BP).

It's a fact.

why speak with an org ?

"@dio! long time didnt see you🙂 but: "I don't see BP members requesting the name change of Dutch Three Star"

and the flying dutchmen? and the united netherlands? and the state companys? and more...."

just read what dionysus have write ...

"There is a difference between a political party protecting the rights of a certain group of people and between state owned companies or even the name of the state. I don't see BP members requesting the name change of Dutch Three Star. All I see them do is start discussions about cases involving the names of state organisations, state companies and the state itself.. which is not illogical, because this is a UNITED state and not a DUTCH state."

sorry vanouze didnt see that I was logged in with my org. But youre right 🙂

dionysus is still alive 😮
I also awnser with my org cause with this one atm 🙂
But i think the name should be 'eBelgium' or 'Epixtan'.
(hegje)

i think you should stick the name up your...

i'm from belguim and has no hard feelings to the dutch peeps ? but why attack us ? it is normal that most belgian peeps go to BP so they have a voice for belgian intrest but they are new they dont know better in beginning but after a while they will get why this is better ? but what i do hate as a belgian is that i have to hear this discussing every day . BP and the belgians get an attack every day . and i really hate it . that i have to read it every day . this is a game we have more benefit to work together then alone

@ Vanouze, as you can see, i am not longer a member of the LSD. That should not be fair to this party, that is fighting for unity.

crap article, i unsuscribe, bye.

They talked about changing their name after the 'integration'. Isnt that happened already? We thought so?

How can people integrated when they're not accepted as UNLcitizens?

(But you dont get a better feeling with another name. The dutch players are still better...)

We're alle equal and everyone has his/hewr own possibilities!

I doubt any merged country will succeed because these problems will ALWAYS arise, and only grow bigger.

"Vanouze, as you can see, i am not longer a member of the LSD. That should not be fair to this party, that is fighting for unity."

so stay logic with LSD and dismiss as congresman ... you are a representant of this party

voted. Kutwalen.

+1 Mr Put!

You are right, we should focus on working together and stop wasting our time with all this bickering about Belgians and the name of the BP

Nice to hear from you again dionysus 🙂

Lolz. Anyway, I don't get why you guys are against the BP. It's name is just an cheap propaganda thing... But name change and all that stuff would indeed be a great waste of time/money. We don't need this kind of internal struggles. This shud be dealth with in a quick and democratic way, the sooner the better. We don't want somthing like the communotair question between flanders and wallonia.

yeah , agree but in belguim the normal peeps cant say anything only politicians can . but still this is a waste of time , count all the time together and i think we get in total 240 hours and i'm only 21 days in this game lol . so i have heard this thing about BP and belgians for 10 full days