Murlockij's comment from eHungary to eFrance
Murlockij
Answer for Ivan Dusaiks article in
http://www.erepublik.com/en/article/when-empires-fall-de-la-chute-des-empires-1133324/1/all
I fear you underestimated this game's probably most important main pillar;
the nationalism.
This game's idea borned in Middle-Europe, Romania. What do you think; why named this countries in original IRL base names? Why don't finded some fictional names for countries with fictional borders?
The answers is simple, our nations have many so called "unfinished businness" based out RL history. This unburdened conflicts moving the player's community for spend money and the money moving the servers.
The Poland-Germany, the Hungary-Romania oppositions maybe the strongest opportunities for replay again these conflicts.
Sure I know not every players fit this category well, but I think our countries seen anothes sides of this game. You seen a social based game, like sim-city, you have idalistic, platonian visions about eRepublik's future. Roleplaying, interactions with another peoples and so on.
We'll see a militaristic based, country against country, alliances against alliances warfare game in eRepublik where is can win against another country and can able to lost everything our country's integrity. You so called us "imperialist" nation.
The game mainly support this viewing of game, the social, economical modules very-very simple and dumb part of this game. The war good for everything in here, boost the economy, keep up our health and the most important:
Can call newbies, and can keep here the old players, who can upkeep the whole Game.
eHungary and eRomania seen and realized that, and share the opinion: the way of surviving in the nationalist war between us. The adverts, callings, invitations most important part any times: "Come in, you can conquer/defend our country against Romania/Hungary" Are you seen the Poland's motivation posters? They are don't recruit whit a slogan: "Are you see, we have wonderful political module, meet many new international friends, etc."
The slogen is simple "We can conquer Germany, we can take revenge" eHungary's huge success with baby-boom was same simple: "Romanian almost conquered us, just two small part left, join us, defend our land!"
And after thousands joined us they are don't leave the game after we reconquer eHungary, we want to build a Empire, like Romania did it few months ago too, and Poland did it now and we'll hope eSerbia too.
And if the game can be survive, few months later probably some another country repeat the baby boom again, and raise her Empire in the ashes of EDEN/ePoland/eUSA/Phoenix or whatewer.
This game, the engine of game is the imperialism. The programmers planned this. This is not a mistake, it's attribute, feature of eRepublik. You can accept it and try to play well or you "lose" the game. So simple, eat, or another powers eating you.
This approach of our and your viewpoints is one main gap between us.
Nobody can keep her independence, spend time with tamagochi in long range. The only one chance, if you don't have any valueable resources and irl opponent. Everybody who don't want a be a part some supercoalitions, be a toy in stronger's hand. This happening with eFrance now after you choosed another way.
We don't have too much illusions, we know, what is a predictable future of eHungary: the falling. Now or sooner this is a question, if we can recruit new peoples and new friends we'll fight and we can survive, if we can't, we can able to stop the Game and leave eRepublik.
I think eFrace become only is another chapter of the book of failures if you don't want to play eRepublik well.
The internet is full of another web-based games maybe we'll sail away if we are lose.
Murlockij
who talk only his own name
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I suggest to read Ivan Dusaiks main article in here:
http://www.erepublik.com/en/article/when-empires-fall-de-la-chute-des-empires-1133324/1/all" target="_blank">http://www.erepublik.com/en/article/when[..]/all
regards:
Murlockij from eHungary
correct but i'm wondering if nationalism is the good way to have a first-quality babyboom...look at spaniards ... now they have racist organization like FAF and stupid nationalist people.
Nationalism is the BEST way to have a first quality babyboom, if you are in Central-Europe
Well, I did not say I hate wars, or stuff like that, but clearly the game is independant from RL issues. We don't need 3rd reich supporters, that'es extrême nationalism of course, sorry, but that's how spain made a babyboom.
War is good, but i cleary prefer strategy to flag-waving issues, and that's the case of most players. In western europe.
the ever differences...
This is a game, you'll want to refuse play with risk because need to conquer?
And one more thing; nationalism not equal with the extremism. As I said, I'm really glad if you try to can understand this game's motivations, or in my opinion if you can't adopt, without any success you're staying in this game only waste of time.
We are very happy when all wars happen only between two bytes, no death, no victims only playground, a simulation.
all true
@Murlockij
Maybe your article fit very well for a eastern european.
But in western Europe this is impossible.
France, Germany and Italy learned in RL a lot from the past mistakes how bad is nationalism, two world wars that nearly destroyed our nations, killed millions of innocent peoples and downgraded our nations to mere pawns of superpowers like USA or URSS.
In western Europe nationalism will be for the time being only a moronic ideology of stupid people.
We can't have a babyboom similar to every other eastern European country.
Ohh, I probably can't express myself well I *don't* talk about IRL nationalism, just a motivations. I told about this game, eRepublik and the inducement powers. Please don't be arrogant, everybody know this facts in all countries.
(but maybe you should have different opinion after about 45 years russian occupation; my bad english source: I didn't learn any english in my school, the russian language was the only one reasonable option from elementary scool until university)
And one more maybe story: I have some some Italian guildmembers in another game and they told me: Italy is doesn't exist, we are Parmaians and Napolians 🙂
Imo no to good to be too lofty with another cultures and players when you play this culture's gameproduct.
IRL is outside, we are in game. In IRL I don't eat children and i can't ride with horses, pay my taxes like you and everybody else.
I'm here, and try to communicating with you and with everybody who don't want refuse it.
@Murlockij
I don't want to be arrogant, I apologize if I give you this impression.
I want only to explain you what us as western Europeans we think about nationalism and from this point explain why isn't possible to make a baby boom telling in a advertisement that for example we are in war with Spain.
And don't worry for the English language, you speak English better then some Italians that had the possibility to learn in school.
PS
I am an Italian.
@And one more maybe story: I have some some Italian guildmembers in another game and they told me: Italy is doesn't exist, we are Parmaians and Napolians 🙂@
Yes, in reality the Italians are a nationality artificially created.
For example the languages of Italy are regarded as dialects by our government, the Lombard language, the old Language of my land is more related to the French language instead of the Italian language that in reality is only the language of Florence imposed by school to our population, the UNESCO and all linguistics say that regional languages of Italy are languages for their own and not dialects, but the Savoia Monarchy, the Fascists and the modern Republic destroyed all the old cultures of Italy and downgraded those regional nationalities and cultures.
Thanks your comments, how strange and interest thing is a nationalism isn't it?
-artificial weapon for politicians who hungry for power and can mislead million peoples
-glue and bond between peoples who have (semi)different language/culture
-shield against cultural/military opressors.
You can only see the hate wars, the extremism, and this is totally true. But many of us can see the another side of nationalism too, just ask one kurd, a katalan and any another minority. But I know this is offtopic and misguided from main thread, sorry.
>We can't have a babyboom similar to every other eastern European country.
Then make one like Hungary .
BTW France is the bigest nationalist state EVER
@pseudo org
France WAS the biggest nationalist state ever.
The days of the Revanche is today only a matter of the past.
French nationalism was the response to the German predominance.
But in our days France and Germany are friends, both they recognized the mistakes of the past and after the WWII together with Italy Netherlands, Belgium and Luxembourg formed the EU.
There is no will to make a room for nationalism in our countries.
Pseudo org --> i'm agree with you. I'm french, & i think, that is the Nationalism which founded France. Eventhough, All of war in the past was a nationalist war, i think, we have learned lot of thing. We commited mistake & we'll commite other, it's sure. However, Country as France, UK, Italy or Germany, won't do the same mistake & won't be overwhelmed by facist & nationalist.
Nevertheless, France can't have a same babyboom.
(But don't mixed, Nationalism & Patriotism. )
Interesting way of seeing things... although... not 100% correct.
There is NO nationalism in real life between France and Spain. The game is developping that, and it's sick.
@cleroy: correct but i'm wondering if nationalism is the good way to have a first-quality babyboom...look at spaniards ... now they have racist organization like FAF and stupid nationalist people. FAF its not nationalist... mean Fuerzas Armadas Forococheras. (Forocoche its a party in Spain).
You dont understand that our FAF is a spanish name and havent anything with your "FAF"