eSAAF Commune Idea
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by atrawall
I've always wanted to be in our National Army. I think it's important for the country to have a strong army that can support the citizens while also being supported BY the citizens.
When Henock and I proposed our "Workers Program" the biggest complaints (Beings called socialist doesn't count imo) was that this program defeats the purpose of the communes that are in place to essentially do the same thing.
However, it is my belief that our National MU, eSAAF doesn't function properly for our community.
Currently, if I want supplies I have to first work for Grimstone, then
Navigate to this page: https://spreadsheets.google.com/spreadsheet/viewform?formkey=dHRvMmxDMFV4U0ZNR0loOUVxb2V2UFE6MQ
Then back to erepublik because chances are I forget to check what erep day it was.
Then I have to go back to the request form and fill it out.
THE BENEFITS of the CURRENT SYSTEM
Not everyone requests supplies on a daily basis, so any extras can be sold off to Presumably help keep eSAAF functioning.
(That's all I got, please tell me if there's more)
THE NEGATIVES
I run out of weapons then bounce around trying to remember if I requested them, trying to sort out if I should have received some, how many and so on.
I can never remember to request weapons so when I do it's a bulk of like 87.
Our citizens aren't supplied enough weapons to fight unless they do all this.
WHAT NEEDS TO HAPPEN
I think eSAAF should set up a system where anyone who has worked for 2 weeks and not missed a day should be put on a list and those listed only have to request the extra supplies they need. This way everyone is getting weapons daily and won't be missing out if they fight more, but it's easier.
If someone isn't fighting, then by all means, let them sell the weapons. They are working for them after all.
I'd like some input from the eSAAF commanders, but I think there should be a small list of requirements (Level 25+, so many consecutive work days) and from there we work to supply our fighters because they are working for it.
This also strengthens our commune and could potentially eliminate the need for the "Worker Program."
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im in the commune
- applying for supplys eachday
is part of the process of dailytasks
like yousaid
the problem
is when youforget to apply
- maybe youjust need routine
- maybe we need more people to work for
not only grimestone
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more ways to earn gold maybe
I like just the idea of a daily drop for those who have shown consistency. The Red Army has worked that way for years with a weekly drop. My only problem with the Red Army was that they only offer a set amount of weapons per week.
Before we address entitlement in a voluntary system, some math.
It takes 200 wrm to make one Q7 weapon, so roughly the cost of 1q7 to make 1q7. excluding salary and work tax. So half of what you make goes to paying for the raw materials to make it. When you work you make 16 - 20 weapons... leaving 8 - 10 q7.
Commune supplies are 7q7. This leaves 1 - 3 q7 for Fight Bonuses... or 10 to 30 fights after your initial 60 which earns you an Energy Bar and Bazooka Parts.
You can request up to 18 Fight Bonus q7.
Not everyone works in the Commune.
Still following the math?
You are further robbed by being able to request up to a week in arrears.
There is a link to show you what you have received in a very easy sheet listing days and quantities in the Standing Orders, Orders and #eSAAF topic should you forget. I would put it in the MU description but there is not enough space... but I wonder if it is in the actual supply request form?
There are no roll calls because a request already tells us you live.
So no, we will keep taking advantage of you and require you to actually ask for your supplies at a time and frequency convenient to you.
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And it is in the Request Form heading.
Will sort remembering the current eRep day for you once I figure out how to insert a script into a form to take it back to a 2-step process.
that part was a joke. But it literally happens to me every time XD
How was your supply request experience today?
My request was fine. I get my supplies. This is where you are wrong. My argument isn't about entitlement, my arguement is that by supplying citizens (not all) just those proven to consistently work in the commune weapons, it would make our fighting more consistent and maybe citizens, especially younger ones would be more willing to join our national communes.
You criticized the lunacy of the "Worker Program" yet the point of it was to compensate for the shortcomings of eSAAF. The worker program was installed to daily help citizens make a profit to buy weapons or do what they want with them.
I'm entitled to nothing, but if you want an efficient and helpful commune, consider my idea. There's a reason people flocked to the Black Mambas when thekoki was giving out weapons daily, in the MU battle they actually came close to your damge. (minus Gregor)
Now, the problem is: I'm not the one delivering weapons to people daily, so if its just a matter of it being a pain in the butt, I get it. Otherwise I think we can provide our citizens daily weapons and we are missing an opportunity.
How it is being described here, it almost sounds like the solution would be to abolish the idea of communes and just have people work jobs normally. Just sayn, that's how it sounds reading that.
Sometimes my replies go off topic too much. I kind of think that my point was lost in this article...
The "Worker Program" has nothing to do with the eSAAF nor was it create to compensate for the eSAAF. In fact, if you work for any commune you cannot be part of the Work Program -- so I have no idea how you drew this conclusion. If anything, the work program was create to part Q5+ factory owners with an extra 20 ZAR bolster the fiscus. A serendipity was the arrival of Work Tax which feeds off the inflated wages of the program. The only aspect of the WP that bear resemblance with the eSAAF is the requirement to prove activity. The program uses and active form, we use a blend of active and passive.
Nowhere close, but we have bigger numbers. No MU gives out more than the eSAAF. The catch is we only give it out to those who actually fight -- which is the point of the MU. Generate as much damage as possible in a coordinated way. I am the first to admit we don't do the coordination bit very well partly because of sparse numbers spread of wide time-zones and chiefly because we do not have enough people with enough time to do it right.
All soldier ideally have a day's supply on hand -- that means 25q7 and 100 ZA for moving. I do occasionally drop this for young soldiers who cannot afford to create their Soldiering Kit. Your request then become a very simple matter of topping it back up to that level if you take the7q7 option. Nothing to check but you inventory. I will amend the Standing Orders to include this bit of old, and probably forgotten discipline, we taught in Training Division and Parabats.
I get your call to only fight without what seems like bureaucracy, but my experience is that soldiers who only have weekly contact drift out of the group and become isolated. The daily request allow us to do spot checks on location, battle, and damage inflicted and react while it still can make a difference. The only way to counter then isolation caused by weekly drops are active officers who talk to their troops daily.
The reason I helped create the "Worker Program" was to supplement communes for some people. It also helped with wages and helped possibly get Q7 factories in the mix.
It's true that eSAAF does give out more than any other MU. It's the reason that I continually come back to eSAAF. I love the organization, how it's laid out by division, and everything.
BUT
My argument against bureaucracy shouldn't necessarily hinder the inclusion aspect.
I do understand what you mean, regarding no contact. It's part of the reason I have quit the Red Army time and time again. Crumoet and Hamilton do a wonderful job, but there isn't that much excitement and communication. (This has been this way since Hamilton and Crumoet stopped being active.)
I don't know. Maybe I'm the only one who cares (judging by comments it seems that way) but I work in the commune to get weapons easily and efficiently. I'm active, but will probably go on a fighting lull when I hit D3, (so I can build more STR)
I know Grimstone humored me when I proposed the idea in our PM, but I guess ultimately what I'm asking is to at least give the option of a non-request drop. I have a couple friends who actively fight, and are in other MU's simply because the drop is "Easier" I think by providing this option eSAAF could gain even more members.
We have a small community and things should be easy to monitor.
As I've said before though. I don't take care of the drops on a daily basis, so if this IS a lot more work, I can't complain about you not wanting to have a lot more work placed on you.
Still thought Recces drop was best. If you fought daily you got supplies and while Stan was doing it worked the best. I always forgot to ask for supplies for fighting, so ran out quickly and then struggled to buy again. but im a nothing here so just commented and move back to my hole...
This proposal is in line with the ideals and platform of the DB-PF, so I support it. The DB MU has worked similarly for years, so if we can make it work on a national level, that would be great.