PP Election Aftermath, סיכום בחירות נשיאות למפלגה
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by Perfect.Knight
Salutations to you House of eIsrael, i write to you at the eve of new day after yesterday's election to the party presidency.
i won't got big on words, few key points i would like to talk about :
- israel first & likud were facing a pto threat by unknown source. a source clearly using multies ( votes were removed from both opposing candidates against the legitimate ones )
this is new threat, one that people couldn't say "oh look at them rl jewbots messing with elections and tempering with democracy" like many of our esteemed english speaking countrymen like to do 🙂
i can point a finger and blame someone but i shouldn't because it would only lead to yet another pointless argument 🙂
- Richard Ford, Pikezah123 won the election in parties which no one cares about. while i can clearly see the motive behind this. i cannot understand the logic. because past events clearly states. these unimportant parties has no pull never will have pull and never should have pull in whats going on in eisraeli politics.
on one hand we have pike an active member of our society. i can understand him wanting to avange the last months take over by rl bloc over his buddy's party. but again it is folly to think this party is a tool to something. elections always decided by 2 major forces. some of the active members of the english speaking community and ofc the rl bloc of the community. this tactic of divide and conquer is somewhat childish and not efficient. by controlling most political parties. it would seem that english speaking community has sway over what would be the outcome in the presidency election nominations or congress elections...but in reality. well you can see the elections for the past year or so and decide for yourself who has the final say here in eisrael 🙂
on other hand we have richard ford, a decent looking guy... been in eisrael for some time now. always writes decent articles. but main problem he took over a dead party. as a dead player. i mean what he has done for the past month to justify his claim over pp position? hes nice guy sure, hes not an ass by his way of writing. and he means well as far as i can see. but the activity issue overshadow everything ive mentioned here...seriously. i cannot recall and opinion,conversation or statement of him since the last elections. most likely his party will continue to be dead. and he will just be there. i guess its better then nothing.
i3 well i3 is interesting 🙂
, dozzer took over the party. means well. he has some issues with some people but i guess in all general he tries hard. im looking forward to see what will become of this party. so far. it was only made as base of operations to esteemed community member "Rheinlander von Phalz" and nothing else. while it could be something more.. it holds little pull over whats happening in eisrael because it only served as an extension to 1 man, and a great slogen too 🙂
this is my conclusion of the pp elections.
Perfect.Knight, the Thug Poet.
אם מישהו מוכן לתרגם אני אשמח מאד 🙂
ואשלם גם בשקלים
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lol, damn those poles sure know their job. efficient!
Integrity
Integration
Israel
when i was 12, i went to hell for snuffing jesus, when i was 12, i went to hell for snuffing jesus...
never will have pull
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u'r wrong. As soon as i'll finish my RL matters...
@livelie, my friend. 5 votes in pp elections speak for itself. you should either have that dead party merge with other party lets say i3, and form a solid bloc to have your opinions, and views justified by means, and resources. while you yourself, a solid, able and productive member of our society. and good politician. you cannot achieve nothing alone. other than that. you will be beaten down by sheer numbers of other politicians. or by more blunt means like in congress elections with 1 seat in knesset, other then medal grabbers who will have your party as nest because at the moment with dead party. you cannot block efficiently medal grabbers... this is the only purpose and reason for this kind of party. ofc, one can have noble goals. but you are blocked by game mechanics.
אנדריי, מה עם עברית?
רק הכותרת וזהו?
שמישהו יציע לתרגם, אני אשלם לו 🙂
ככה גם מישהו מקבל תעסוקה וזה
This article might be relevent IF the "conspiracy" theory were true and IF politics in eIsrael actually meant anything on the grand scheme.
Anyhow, good job. You analyzed a PP race. Wohoo... 😛
אם לא יהיה תרגום עד מחר בצהריים אז אני אתרגם, ובחינם יא ילד כאפות🙂
Umm, okay? If you think only Likud and IF have any pull, then what are you suggesting? Are you asking us try and PTO them?
Ford has been a member of UIIP and ran for the Party President position against another member of UIIP. I don't think either is trying to get national pull with this position. Would you rather whoever is using multis be able to claim this party and then run his people for Congress and President elections?
There is not a unified English-speaking group, and there probably hasn't ever been. The closest thing was probably CRoy-era UIIP. The English-speaking community of UIIP is not in coordination with the English-speaking community of I3 is not in coordination with the English-speaking community of Likud. It is not a joint effort on our parts like Krystalnact was last month, when Hebrews jointly attacked ICP and I3.
Dozzer is the new PP of Integrity-Integration-Israel, a party which has been in continuous existence since August, which has promoted five members to Knesset, endorsed the winning CP candidate twice, pulled in over 40% of the vote with its own CP candidate, and had three Party Presidents in its history. This assumes that I even care how much "pull" the party I founded earns. While other parties fight over how big a slice of the country they win, we are trying to advance the nation.
So would it be better that i lost to someone that wanted to PAY me to resign for the PP race?
PK = Idiocy
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@hoss, what concpiracy theory? ive clearly stated something happend, we dealt with it. its over. and you are so right by saying that politics do not matter in the grand scheme because there was no real effort to make this sphere a valid and productive way of our nation. currently ( correct me if im wrong here ) put aside political and partisan behavior. and we are unified, strong, friendly nation. i mean when we don't talk about politics and about whos going to pull the strings its all nice, everyone is friendly everyone are cheerful and happy. take a look at military side of things. so nice to see some progress. only because there was no politics applied when we were forming such plans.
^ this is true. u know it. and its sad actually. because politics. can be fun. can be aspiring. i really can't see myself fighting over stuff when i have no partisan agenda on my mind...
think about it. how can we make something better of what there is now. as i mentioned at my article. i was only presenting what is going on, you guys have your parties and act all boss...
@rhein
read my article again, despite my bad grammer, its written in simple english. i was saying that people are doing shit for all the bad reasons...
on ford - again im not questioning his legitemacy as a party member, he isn't pto. but it is a bit strange that he comes around only in election time...is it not? you can't see my point of view in this?
there is like 4-5 indeviduals who stick together and form some sort of group you might say. on general reason, 1 by 1 i have no problem with them, i talk to most of them with really no malice or ill will applied. i act as if they were regular people and judge them by their acts. but every time i see them trying to pull strings and do what they "think" is right, if one person thinks that A is a fact, and B is false, thats his Opinion. so i don't see why those group of indeviduals so fanaticly trying to enforce their will on much broader society... and again, if someone would try to earn their stripes In middle of that society not outside of it. then i would imagine it would be a different story...
about what youve said on i3, in all this time, it has never shown any real strength. all of the cp related stuff. completely bs, the majority of those votes were from the rl bloc and you know it. stop living in a dream its not acomplishment of the party. its you who have achieved it. you and only you. this party was up until now ( which is why i said i am very interested how it will turn out this month ) was your personal tool to jump to cp race...its not a bad thing, just saying.
They act boss by... running for office and being elected in their own parties?
@pike, who asked you to pay to drop the race? sammed the other candidate? and i didn't say it was bad that you took the reins again. i was just wondering what will you do with it...will you try to make the party meaningful? will it pass the 30 members barrier ? will it put more then 3 seats in knesset?( minus medal grabbers ) i doubt every point i presented. but i invite you to prove me wrong.
@PK get on IRC and find out
lol rhein but instead of controlling 3 dead parties, you could unify and present a decent counter measure for all of your opponents. the logic do not stack...
whats the reason for a guy to have a party with 15 members with half of them nearly dead. and do not achieve any goal except for having a control of who to put into candidacy in cp elections...?
i3,united eisraelis, and even national union never made it past the 30 members barrier. for all the time their are around... seriously... whats the point then?
if is there, controlling knesset even if many are not educated and most of the time make silly proposals but at least they doing shit. trying to act as a party.
likud also. even with many of our members are sleepy and not active. we perform solid on knesset elections. our cp elections are legendary. party with me in it produced more cp's then any other party in whole eisraeli history. we hold the 50-50 ratio of english,hebrew speakers. makes us the most balanced party ever.
either get a grip. try to focus on 1 front. make something like, Sababa, uzp, shalom triangle then we could have politics that would mean something in grand scheme of things.
why not?
/me sighs.
More circular comments by PK. Most of them don't make sense.
1. You claimed that IF and Likud were under some sort of PTO threat by a multi. I have no problem with that claim, if it is true then it is something we all need to work against. But in that same claim you bash a group of people in the community. These are the same people you should be working with to prevent multi-PTOs. Asking for their help and then bashing them isn't the brightest idea....
2. If someone wants to be a PP, more power to them. Let them run, and let the members of the party decide who wins. But don't insult them by claiming their party is useless. Because it isn't. We have 5 parties. That means all 5 parties get to put up candidates for the Knesset. All five parties have access to that. This makes them all important. Imagine if someone from one of the parties you claim is un-important helped a PTOer get elected into Knesset. Then the next month more get in, then more, etc. With only 5 parties all 5 count for something. So stop trying to sound as if your party is the only one that matters. All 5 matter.
3. Maybe someone is in-active for awhile because eIsrael gets boring? So claiming that someone shouldn't be a PP (even of the parties you claim are not important) because they aren't as active as you is just a bad claim. Like I said, if someone wants to run let them. Don't bash them for it, knock their party, or slander their name. Leave it up to the party members and let them elect their next leader.
4. Rheinlander brought up a good point on Rizon - Why did both you and Zaib join I3 before the elections gave out? Your response was to "check the votes". But you both have Org accounts that you can use for that, and after you vote in your party you can see all party results. So obviously you moved there with a vote in your hand. The question remains why...
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