[SWE] The truth about the Sweden-Germany conflict
Svenska Statens Infocenter
This is an article written by the Swedish government regarding the situation between Sweden and Germany.
Sweden has ever since the foundation of Atlantis, been one of the core nations in the alliance, we’ve been called “the rock of Atlantis”. Sweden has, after Romania, been the nation dealing the most damage in battles and we’ve spent many thousands of gold protecting other Atlantis countries. We have offered to lend massive amounts of gold to nations in need of it. We’ve sent our army all over the world to prevent TO. When Norway got TO by Hungary, who then threatened to attack and conquer Finland, we prevented them by taking the bordering region between the two countries, and we paid for it ourselves, for the good of Atlantis. We’ve never asked for anything in return for all these favors. But now we ask Atlantis to not let Germany join Atlantis. Germany is not an Atlantis member, but a trial member. Sweden does not request Atlantis to kick out a member, only to not let Germany join Atlantis.
The question why Sweden wants to attack Germany is the one that is most frequently asked. The history between Sweden and Germany dates back a long time, and we have been at war several times. The war that has any relevancy now is the second one. The second time we attacked Germany, it was because of the polish political takeover that occurred after Germanys conquering of Poland. So basically, what we did was to help Germany get rid of their polish congress. This action was something that a lot of well-known Germans, such as DKN, agreed with. In the meantime we spoke to Poland about releasing their original regions as soon as possible. Sweden was also going to give Germany back the country when the time was right. At the end of the beta period Germany wanted the country back, which was impossible because Admin had turned off the RW feature until V1 was released.
A short time after V1 was released Sweden gave Germany half of the country back and kept the other half to be returned as soon as “Operation French toast”, a failed Atlantis attack on France, was over. The deal Sweden made with the government in Germany was that after the war with France, Sweden would give back all the remaining regions except for Schleswig-Holstein, which Sweden would keep permanently because it was a High Grain region. Sweden’s original regions do not contain any High regions, while Germany had 3, all of them in grain. “Operation French Toast” was unsuccessful, and Sweden were about to give Germany back the regions. But in the 10th of January Germany started RW in all the regions with massive amounts of help from PEACE GC, spitting on Sweden and our deals. Germany and PEACE managed to take back every region from Sweden, even Schleswig-Holstein. Germany got a Swedish Q5 DS in the region after the RW as well due to a bug. After that we spent four months trying to negotiate peace with Germany which we both would be happy with. We wanted to get SH back and get paid for our Q5 DS. The response we got was that we could buy SH from Germany for 5000 gold! After that the negotiations with Germany has been at a standstill, especially as it for a long time looked as Germany was going to join PEACE GC. But Germany decided to become a passive member of Atlantis, something Sweden voted Yes for in the Atlantis forum. We thought that this was a perfect chance to finally get peace with Germany. But that is something that has yet to happen.
In the short time that Germany has been a trial member in Atlantis, they’ve already been able to leak secret Atlantis information. Sweden has given Germany chance after chance to be trustworthy and every time they spit in not only our face but in Atlantis face as well. Sweden has done all we can to negotiate with Germany, but it has not matter what we have offered them, they always want more. They are unreasonable and untrustworthy, which they have proved time after time, and we Swedes refuse to let them spit in our faces any longer. That’s why we no longer see any other way out of this. Sweden’s last offer to Germany has been sent to them, an offer which has been leaked to the UK, who then posted it in an article posted in Sweden.
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Me and the Abrivianius Defence Force will be there along your side on the front-line Starkad. We will wreak havoc on the Swedish traitors.
Traitors? Germanyy is not a Atlantis member. Germany is not even a passive member of Atlantis anymore, the trial period ended weeks ago.
First of all, what does the banning of the account Karl Holm have to do with anything here? That's just ridiculous. And erhm... "[...]stayed diplomatic to find a solution[...]"? Wait, you tried to negotiate with Swedish officials? That's a big load of crap. We haven't heard a single serious proposal to try and find a peaceful solution to this.
I mean come on, you gave us an offer (cannot mention any details as we actually respect the word "Secrecy"), then you stated, behind our back, that you wouldn't help us in the plan YOU suggested. You were planning on backstabbing us yet again, even though you were our allies. Sweden has done so much for Germany, and you've done absolutely nothing to pay us back.
For those of you who are still unsure about eSwedens honesty and their supposed attempts to "negotiate", you can get a glimpse of the "quality" of their socalled proposals in the following article:
http://www.erepublik.com/en/article/sweden-a-disgrace-for-atlantis-802635/1/all" target="_blank">http://www.erepublik.com/en/article/swed[..]/all
This "proposal" is what was sent to the eGerman people yesterday.
Emerick, maybe you have a point. It was pretty idiotic of us to expect any support at all from the allies we've helped so many times. And Starkad, I think both you and me know that the offers Germany has made towards Sweden has been much worse.
The war is coming, if you want it or not!
http://www.erepublik.com/en/Sweden/law/6597" target="_blank">http://www.erepublik.com/en/Sweden/law/6[..]/6597
I can only quote: "After that we spent four months trying to negotiate peace with Germany which we both would be happy with. We wanted to get SH back and get paid for our Q5 DS. The response we got was that we could buy SH from Germany for 5000 gold!"
Yeah, that's what I call a reasonable offer.
That was NOT my government for gods sakes, you guys are killing me.
Read what I wrote in my initial comment. I found these offers as ridiculous as you, THATS WHY I RAN FOR OFFICE. So don't make ME responsibile for something that I despised as much as you did, just because im german.
In case you still didn't get it, you have an ALLY and FRIEND in charge now in eGermany.
Learn to differentiate.
another biased report from the Swedes- not only can you not trust their word, but you can't trust their history either
>Emerick, maybe you have a point. It was pretty idiotic of us to expect any support at all from the allies we've helped so many times
No, what's idiotic is the fact that you're actively destroying any credibility that Atlantis has left. Don't try to guilt trip America, because you're the ones who are screwing up here, not us
@ Emerick:
We're not screwing anything up. ATLANTIS is dead because of incompetent leaders, and no respect of their members, they only wanted to look good and had no clue how to make an alliance. ATLANTIS days are over, blaming this on their most loyal member is just pathetic, you're the idiot if you say something like that.
No, you're just trying to push your weight around, and I'm not buying it. Right when Atlantis needs you to pull your shit together, you decide that you're going to hold the alliance hostage. For what? Right now, we need to stick together more than ever, and all your doing is handing our alliance over to Peace on a silver platter. An alliance is about working together, and you've proven that you can't do it. When Atlantis fined us for declaring war on Mexico, did we call Atlantis incompetent? No, we took one for the team and held together. We could have said no and broken off, but we didn't. We decided that working together was better than dying alone. I guess I thought too highly of you when I hoped that you would make a similar decision. Thank you, Sweden, for nailing Atlantis's coffin shut.
Emerick, when ATLANTIS fined you for declaring war on Mexico, we understood you. We gave you back your money since your treasury had been robbed. What do we get back? Apparently, nothing but byrocracy and BS.
@ Emirick:
Haha, totaly clueless. 🙂
As st00r said above the alliance crumbles due to incompetent leaders, and then you, Emerick say that you get to pay a fine for declaring war on Mexico, while we still repayed you as we thought it was unjust.
... So explain to me how Sweden are the bad guys?
How about because you're declaring war on a country that's basically in Atlantis.
Accept it. War is going to happen.
why dont you guys give germany a region in return for SH. this way germany doesnt have to give up a region 'cus you said so', and they stay the same size. meanwhile, you get your high grain region.
Tankshock, I think pretty much every possible solution has been debated since the German revolution (Operation Burning Spirit).
GERMANY WINS! at least for now...
congratz all who fought to keep the eGermans and their country safe!
I support Germany.
Wins? that wasent evvn a fight 😛 The German sides hero was Swedish and the fight lasted for 15 minutes.
The USA has an MPP with Germany. PERIOD.
Until now, I would have happily fought to protect Sweden from aggression. I will happily do the same for Germany.
I think that Sweden is right.With that history,that eGermany has,all the countries in the eRep would have the right to attack them.In game allies help each other.eGermany has 2 High Grain regions.He wanted 3!4Thats why they left PEACE.They got their freedom from PEACE!!Hungary had no grain.They needed but Germany entered ATLANTIS instead to help their allies.Germany is a more time TRAITOR then Sweden would ever be!!!Sweden has no hugh regions,they really need it.They asked Germany to lend it to them.The German answer was 5000 gold.Do we really need such "Allies" as eGermany?I really like Germany,Germans (partly I'm one of them),but in the eWorld Germany is a creature without a backbone!!
Do you guys remember this;
"We also inform you that a vote regarding whether to enforce the penalty on the US for breaking the ATLANTIS treaty has been held and the result is that they have to pay each member nation 100 Gold, as the charter demands."
SWEDEN REPAYED USA THOSE 100 GOLD! And we were the only ones I think...
I am sorry but I say let Sweden go on their own. I will not stand with them!
Read what Sweden has written. "We let them in so that they would give us what we want. If we are allies they have to." Now that Germany won't give them what they want they claim "Germany are not really members!"
If Sweden wanted German territory they should have stood up and not allowed them to join Atlantis. Instead they thought they could take the easy way out and it backfired on them!
Sweden wants their way without having to work or pay for it and used treachery to make it happen. I will not take any part in despicable behavior such as that!
At first I was on Germany's side because I was ill informed. I find little news on forgien affairs and what I find is mostly repeates. I was planning on help defending Germany but after reading this artical and becoming more infromed I have changed my mind.
Oh, one more thing I wanted to adress. There was an atrical released a few days ago with a conversation between some government officals in ATLANTIS (including eUS and eSweden). I had no real problem with the whole idea of you all attacking eGermany till the idea came up to take eGermany's offer of land then backstab them. This was very disturbing to me. I was very dissapointed to hear members of our alliance(including my own country eUS) talk about backstabbing a country willing to help us.
"But Germany decided to become a passive member of Atlantis, something Sweden voted Yes for in the Atlantis forum. We thought that this was a perfect chance to finally get peace with Germany."
Well, it was. We wanted to stay allied, that's why we fought for Atlantis in Poland and Romania. We had some bad governments back in the past, but for some time now we have done everything we could to be faithful and reliable allies. There was no deal about Schleswig-Holstein when we joined Atlantis, you agreed to let us keep our original German territory.
"In the short time that Germany has been a trial member in Atlantis, they’ve already been able to leak secret Atlantis information. Sweden has given Germany chance after chance to be trustworthy"
Well, I do not know who leaked that (I think there was no German present in the room?), but the leaked information clearly states that you did *not* give us a chance. You were focused on attacking us. People told you to attack PEACE instead, there was a lot to do on the Romanian front (we know, Germany was there to fight), or you could have attacked Russia if you wanted high resource regions. But you wanted to attack us even though you had invited us into your alliance.
Kalle Holm har bara stormaktambitioner, det spelar ingen roll, vilken regering eGermany har och vilken förslag från eGermany kommer! Kalle Holm will har kriget och han manipulera alla perfekt!
Jag tror inte, att alla i eSverige eller/och i eTyskland will har kriget. Kalles Kaviar, förlåt, Kalle Holm's makt resulterar bara på hennes propaganda mot eTyskland.
Seeing how confusing the situation is, it is hard to blame eUS for staying neutral. If the facts are not clear, we will not blindly fight for what we do not know of.
Why dont you spare all the self-righteous explanations and excuses to attack eGermany and just replace this article with this comment of stOOr http://www.erepublik.com/en/article/-the-swedish-military-order-schleswig-holstein-805996/1/20" target="_blank">http://www.erepublik.com/en/article/-the[..]1/20
"Leave no survivors, set it all on fire, all we want is the Grain, rest can burn."
which summs this war perfectly up.
So this is a war of greed? I originally supported Sweden in this conflict because I understand that they needed the grain. But this is a Communal agreement here.
"We will help you, but when we're done (we will decide when), you can't have this back because we're jealous that you get three & we get none."