[SWE] The truth about the Sweden-Germany conflict
Svenska Statens Infocenter
This is an article written by the Swedish government regarding the situation between Sweden and Germany.
Sweden has ever since the foundation of Atlantis, been one of the core nations in the alliance, we’ve been called “the rock of Atlantis”. Sweden has, after Romania, been the nation dealing the most damage in battles and we’ve spent many thousands of gold protecting other Atlantis countries. We have offered to lend massive amounts of gold to nations in need of it. We’ve sent our army all over the world to prevent TO. When Norway got TO by Hungary, who then threatened to attack and conquer Finland, we prevented them by taking the bordering region between the two countries, and we paid for it ourselves, for the good of Atlantis. We’ve never asked for anything in return for all these favors. But now we ask Atlantis to not let Germany join Atlantis. Germany is not an Atlantis member, but a trial member. Sweden does not request Atlantis to kick out a member, only to not let Germany join Atlantis.
The question why Sweden wants to attack Germany is the one that is most frequently asked. The history between Sweden and Germany dates back a long time, and we have been at war several times. The war that has any relevancy now is the second one. The second time we attacked Germany, it was because of the polish political takeover that occurred after Germanys conquering of Poland. So basically, what we did was to help Germany get rid of their polish congress. This action was something that a lot of well-known Germans, such as DKN, agreed with. In the meantime we spoke to Poland about releasing their original regions as soon as possible. Sweden was also going to give Germany back the country when the time was right. At the end of the beta period Germany wanted the country back, which was impossible because Admin had turned off the RW feature until V1 was released.
A short time after V1 was released Sweden gave Germany half of the country back and kept the other half to be returned as soon as “Operation French toast”, a failed Atlantis attack on France, was over. The deal Sweden made with the government in Germany was that after the war with France, Sweden would give back all the remaining regions except for Schleswig-Holstein, which Sweden would keep permanently because it was a High Grain region. Sweden’s original regions do not contain any High regions, while Germany had 3, all of them in grain. “Operation French Toast” was unsuccessful, and Sweden were about to give Germany back the regions. But in the 10th of January Germany started RW in all the regions with massive amounts of help from PEACE GC, spitting on Sweden and our deals. Germany and PEACE managed to take back every region from Sweden, even Schleswig-Holstein. Germany got a Swedish Q5 DS in the region after the RW as well due to a bug. After that we spent four months trying to negotiate peace with Germany which we both would be happy with. We wanted to get SH back and get paid for our Q5 DS. The response we got was that we could buy SH from Germany for 5000 gold! After that the negotiations with Germany has been at a standstill, especially as it for a long time looked as Germany was going to join PEACE GC. But Germany decided to become a passive member of Atlantis, something Sweden voted Yes for in the Atlantis forum. We thought that this was a perfect chance to finally get peace with Germany. But that is something that has yet to happen.
In the short time that Germany has been a trial member in Atlantis, they’ve already been able to leak secret Atlantis information. Sweden has given Germany chance after chance to be trustworthy and every time they spit in not only our face but in Atlantis face as well. Sweden has done all we can to negotiate with Germany, but it has not matter what we have offered them, they always want more. They are unreasonable and untrustworthy, which they have proved time after time, and we Swedes refuse to let them spit in our faces any longer. That’s why we no longer see any other way out of this. Sweden’s last offer to Germany has been sent to them, an offer which has been leaked to the UK, who then posted it in an article posted in Sweden.
Comments
As a Canadian Congressman, this issue has been one of the most difficult I've ever had to contemplate.
First of all, what does the banning of the account Karl Holm have to do with anything here? That's just ridiculous. And erhm... "[...]stayed diplomatic to find a solution[...]"? Wait, you tried to negotiate with Swedish officials? That's a big load of crap. We haven't heard a single serious proposal to try and find a peaceful solution to this. I mean come on, you gave us an offer (cannot mention any details as we actually respect the word "Secrecy"), then you stated, behind our back, that you wouldn't help us in the plan YOU suggested. You were planning on backstabbing us yet again, even though you were our allies. Sweden has done so much for Germany, and you've done absolutely nothing to pay us back.
For those of you who are still unsure about eSwedens honesty and their supposed attempts to "negotiate", you can get a glimpse of the "quality" of their socalled proposals in the following article:
http://www.erepublik.com/en/article/sweden-a-disgrace-for-atlantis-802635/1/all" target="_blank">http://www.erepublik.com/en/article/swed[..]/all
This "proposal" is what was sent to the eGerman people yesterday.
The war is coming, if you want it or not!
http://www.erepublik.com/en/Sweden/law/6597" target="_blank">http://www.erepublik.com/en/Sweden/law/6[..]6597
I can only quote: "After that we spent four months trying to negotiate peace with Germany which we both would be happy with. We wanted to get SH back and get paid for our Q5 DS. The response we got was that we could buy SH from Germany for 5000 gold!"
Yeah, that's what I call a reasonable offer.
"they’ve already been able to leak secret Atlantis information"
What you mean the forum information where several key ATLANTIS members were talking about back stabbing and then TOing them?
@Jan-Gunnar
That was NOT my government for gods sakes, you guys are killing me.
Read what I wrote in my initial comment. I found these offers as ridiculous as you, THATS WHY I RAN FOR OFFICE. So don't make ME responsibile for something that I despised as much as you did, just because im german.
In case you still didn't get it, you have an ALLY and FRIEND in charge now in eGermany.
Learn to differentiate.
Swedish Lies! Swedish Bias!
Neither side in this conflict has preformed admirably.
The decision of the masses to support either Sweden or Germany will be a difficult one; perhaps even ripping Atlantis apart.
PEACE has gained the upper hand due to a few bugs, and now our best chance at resisting them is being destroyed because Sweden want's to attack Germany. The unity of Atlantis is being torn apart by this. Say what you want to justify yourselves, but in reality we should be trying to gain allies, not push them away.
@ Pangean Foundation:
We are making allies. But none can call German allies, ask anyone who've been close to them, or shall I say, WAS close to them, they can never be trusted.
holly crap... what is this, some kind of stupid road show?
everybody paste the very same comments... what a bright argument... OMG
lol
This is beef without beef.
It truly lacks gravy sauce..
Prizma Jeno, Starkad started it 😛
...by posting the same slandering article in every Atlantis country. Listening to you, I am starting to believe the Iraq-War was my fault aswell.
Quite frankly I believe that both eGermany and eSweden should grow up and try to reach a political solution maybe through an un-biased mediator??? and the exremists on both side should try taking into account that this war comprimises the ATLANTIS Alliance and that is more important than some feud between countries. If it were up to me both of you should be removed from ATLANTIS until this issue is resolved
The fact is that eGermany has Alliances with eUS,eUK,eCANADA,eTURKEY,eSPAIN. Attacking Germany for whatever reason will force those countries to honor their agreements. Not doing so would make them as treacherous as they claim eGermany is. Thus, unless eSweden wants war with all these nations they must find another way to come to grips with their issues with eGermany for the good of us all. Neutral mediation seems the best probability.
Starkad yes, that was so your fault. I blame you 100%.
No, but on a more serious note: Ofc we had to post it in all ATLANTIS countries. It's important that we reach out with the truth.
I wish for a comment about the following:
Kalle Holm has clearly stated that nothing is going to stop a war against Germany, no matter what is said or done by any party, yet you claim "Sweden’s last offer to Germany has been sent to them"? What is this offer, and if Germany agrees to it then what of Kalle holm's earlier statements?
Kalle Holm has also clearly stated that even if agreements are made between Sweden and Germany at this point, he fully intends to backstab and go to war with Germany anyway even if they agree to deals in an effort to stop aggression. Will Sweden truly stop all aggression if a deal is made?
Is this, in fact, a simple propoganda piece in order to try to justify to the rest of ATLANTIS citizens, the ones not allowed behind closed doors to see what is said in IRC, to make Sweden look like the heroes of justice? of course, I don't expect an answer from this last one for obvious reasons, but I would love to hear how you explain the first two. Should be entertaining 🙂
Long live Germany, Canada we need to do more to help our German friends and connect the two people of our countries more so that when either is in trouble the other can come to their aid.
"It is entirely seemly for a young man killed in battle to lie mangled by the bronze spear. In his death all things appear fair..." - Homer
All is fair in love and war.
Well, war anyways.
The question is:
Is Atlantis an Alliance or not? It would seem as though we have a tendancy to attack trial members. If we want to expand membership and I assume we do - in case anyone has looked at a map recently, then we should be fostering potential members.
Either that or we have to come to a firm understanding of who is with us, and who is against us - so long as we clearly define what 'us' means, and act accordingly - immediately.
Otherwise Atlantis could fragment.
Only they who give themselves up for lost, are defeated.
PEACE has the momentum right now, this Sweden / Germany issue is a dividing focus within Atlantis, and has to be resovled as soon as possible.
First question: The last offer, but not the first..., were sent to German leaders. They leaked the offer to UK leaderr who then posted it in article all over the eWorld. Look and you will find it.
Secon😛 If they would have accepted, then there would have been no more hostilities again. They did not though. But the German leaders said something similair when they tried to offer us something, they said that they only offered it so they could see Sweden lose and spend all the gold and weapons they had stored. And that was said by this government.
Third question: No this is the truth and nothing but the truth. To make sure that everything were true we looked up the old forumtopics and read it to make sure that it was true.
I never thought atlantis was like jailhouse protection
This war would bring US, UK, Canada, Turkey, and Spain all into the confilct in support of Germany.
Sweden must withdraw or risk making enemies of Germany's allied countries. As a citizen of eCanada, I personally will do my best in the current war to defend Germany and it's interests.
concurred, and it seems as though despite Swedish propaganda efforts that remains the general sentiment from eCanadians.
The eAmericas would perhaps be better served with an Alliance of their own... Let eEurope sort itself out.
The Sweden and Germany Issue will not go away until new governments are brought to power, or miraculously, the two
enations cease hostile intent, Germany is accepted into Atlantis - or its not - and we get a move on coordinating a push on PEACE.
I hate run on sentences.