[NOTIE/CP] Time for another Job / Unity & Democracy
NoTie112
Dear citizens of the eNetherlands,
We were shocked to see the sudden change of heart by ElGorro, in supporting Van Spijck. While this move has been admired by the whole of the eNetherlands, it also raises additional doubts. Libertas stands for unity in the eNetherlands, but also a fair democratic state: The current choices in the CP elections hardly reflect that. We do support any constructive approach for the future of the eNetherlands, but we will not bow down under the false premise of 'finishing the job'. What job exactly? - Van Spijck didn't even bother to announce any plans.
Libertas wants to offer an alternative for the current alliance of ElGorro and Van Spijck, which is questionable if that will last long. For example, ElGorro & Van Spijck have been continously bitching around for the last term, with major letdowns like the creation of a shadow eNetherlands community by each of the two sides. We do not believe this is a good base for future governments, nor do we believe Van Spijck deserves to 'finish the job' for the tenth time in eRepublik History. Continuing the current questionable state of affairs in the eNetherlands, under the premise of continuation (as if another capable Country President wouldn't be able to -try- to safeguard our current independence).
Therfore Libertas will not support the current options, but will offer an alternative on it's own. Hereby I announce that I, NoTie112, will run for Country President.
Summary of Plans for October 2013
- NO 'moving' our country to another region, without the full support of the eNL population and all relevant information public.
- Research the possibilities of maintaining our current independence.
- Open government, existing of -ALL- parties.
- Restoration of a fair and equal Congress.
- FULL transparency of CP & Government actions.
NoTie112,
Presidential Candidate
Comments
A romantic idea. Voted for that.
Good luck with your campaign!
You really don't have a clue what this is about have you?
No that would be a to lame as an excuse; Of course you have, but you thrive on the division of eNL. At least i haven't seen actions for the greater good of eNL, only personal (political) gain with the usage of all means. Legal (like buying votes) and illegal. But no, I will not point fingers to it. You know them yourself and they are so obvious.
On the positive side; The pictures i (mostly) like 🙂
not voted you for the pics 😛
You prefer blondes or maybe men?
she looks too fake to me, rather have a live one 😉
We need unity on the battlefield, a fake political union and the removal of choice for the voter does not score us any extra kills, in fact a little competition between political parties does. Here is my proof of this taking place during our recent victory against the Poland, where two political rivals challenged each other on the battlefiel😛
Nomadicracer: I'll tell you what el gorro... take screen shot after our RW .. and if you have more overall kills than i do.. i'll vote for you!
& no worries.. once the battle is over i will write a fresh article stating my plans.. & why i don't think another el gorro term is what this country needs.. Day 2,142, 07:58
ElGorro: Nomadicracer: 603 kills ElGorro: 981 kills
Looks like I have my first vote 😉 Day 2,142, 10:04
The net result was that these two political rivals, fought together as freedom fighters for their country, and because of the healthy competition between them they were able to go beyond what is expected from them on the battlefield.
Having seen major candidates run for the hills, I say thank you NOTIE for defending the rights of the Voter in our democratic society, and thank you for not being scared to be in charge when the Poles return!
Voor volk en vaderland!
Lol, I'm always amazed how guys put a random pic of a girl on sexy lingerie as some sort of prop to catch attention to an article. Not that I get offended or anything, but it just look so out of place.
Maybe I should start putting pictures of hot shirtless guys on my articles as well ROFL
Good idea
I second that...
I expect that will have less effect than these pics 😉
Well, it's not totally random; It's always the same girl/woman. Sort of obsession I guess.
As for the article; Nah, never mind.
I wouldn't mind 😉
Yes!!! XD
"Van Spijck didn't even bother to announce any plans."
No, he was way too busy organizing the liberation of one of our regions. Oh but but but... that WAS his plan, wasn't it?
"NO 'moving' our country to another region, without the full support of the eNL population and all relevant information public."
And how would you measure the full support of the eNL population? Forum vote? Ingame vote? You know pretty darn well that by the time this is agreed upon and organised, Poland will have taken our only region again and all will be lost.
Furthermore you have been griping a long time now about how unfair it is that Congress does not represent the population. So one would think you'd be all for a move elsewhere so we can finally have elections again and see what the population really thinks... unless there's something there for you to fear.
What she says.
I seem to remember a very recent plan to buy one of our own regions from Poland and to become their ally. I cant remember who's plan was that?
http://www.enetherlands.nl/viewtopic.php?f=27&t=11722 and pay close attention to who wrote the very positive reaction in the 6th post of that thread...
A move doesn't ensure congressional elections.. Poland and its allies can attack anywhere if they want to make a point of it..
Also, poland is under heavy fire on the battlefield.. & we have a huge defense bonus with our shields.. so its not a for gone conclusion that they will easily wipe us off the map if we stay home & fight!
and continual pointing out that our congress doesn't represent the people is a fact, and should be pointed out until they are willing to step aside, or are forced to, in an official election.. Constructive criticism is an integral part of a functional democracy.. otherwise power corrupts, and tyranny replaces democracy .. like it has in our congress.. Are we the only Country in the eRepublik (& RL) that has foreign Citizens representing our people.. voting on our policies.. including whether or not they should keep this power..
I to am tired of keeping everything 'hush hush' these discussions should be made public!
Could you please tome down on the being xenophobic, if people choose to join a community that isn't based on where they life in real life, and are active and a fun part of that community than why should they not be a representative of that community. Problem with this game i think is that they based the "countries" on real live countries in the first place cause people show way to much unnecessary nationalism, which honestly in the first place is nothing more than misplaced pride.
You always say we should fight for our country and community and i applaud that but you seem to forget that a part of this community/eCountry that also fight and suffer with us are people who in real life aren't dutch but only have some connection to the Netherlands cause of study or family, and some don't even have that it just seemed fun to them in game to be part of our small community, and if you want real Dutch pride than don't forget our country became great cause we where open to foreigners and there ideas, it was that what made our country great. So why shouldn't we take pride in the fact foreign players can have the chance when they have proven to be a real part of our community to also have the opportunity to represent it, and be part in decisions made for the community they are part off ?
You may be right that Congress doesn't represent the people but we won't know that for certain until REAL ingame elections are held because both forum-held elections and ingame elections by PM or whatever other solution you choose have flaws. Chances of having REAL elections are far bigger when the AS goes through and we get more regions. And then REAL representatives of the people can be chosen ingame and we will finally know if your constant complaining was justified.
Believing we can withstand the Polish hordes is in my opinion terribly naieve. We never managed to win from them before and we wouldn't have won now if it wasn't for Van Spijk who organized a lot of his friends in other countries to help us. And mind that during this battle we did need that help even while Poland fought several other battles.
I really don't understand. You've been calling for action for months and now you got it with a great result and it isn't good enough. You've been calling for elections for months, now that the chances to have them is bigger than ever it isn't good enough.
What IS it that you want?
Fosite, you make some valid points, however I think you are misunderstanding Nomads statement.
fosite.. if you live in the Netherlands.. w/o a region.. you cant hire workers.. political parties have little effect, we have limited access to markets... the game is very limited.. i think one reward for being in country is being a part of congress.. we have limited seats, they should go to citizens that have very few other options to enjoy the game.. i dont have a problem with ambassadors with foreign citizenship.. or having an extended community.. i think that is great! But as far as congress goes.. i think those seats should go to players with eNetherlands Citizenship.. you dont have to agree.. but dont throw a broad statement that overshoots my point by a mile.. and throw Dutch pride into to it.. that has nothing to do with what im saying... & i cant even participate in these conversations congress has.. and im a patriot who lives in country.. why should a foreign patriot get more of a vote than me, or any other active patriotic citizen living & sacrificing as an eCitizen of a country with no regions.. and limited game play.. Thats not fair imo.. and the reason we lose players every month... So NO i will not change my opinion on the matter of congress.. & it doesn't extend into the community.. JUST CONGRESS
& Fankie.. more regions .. do give us more of a chance.. that commen sense.. and i never said an AS was a bad move.. i think its a great one!! stop assuming...
& "constant complaining".. kind of cracks me up.. we do try and atl east pretend we are in a democracy right.. isn't it the obligation of the Citizens of such a democracy to point out what they believe is wrong with it.. Just as its done around the world?? & im left out of the 'official' discussions of who should represent our country.. just as the rest of the eCitizens are.. I am not a fan of that.. i feel im just as much as a patriot as any eCitizen thats part of our community but not a member of our country.. so why should they get input, and not I.. or other active eCitizens..
"Believing we can withstand the Polish hordes is in my opinion terribly naieve. " this is what i was told about winning a RW... Good thing i didn't believe you then... I think your attitude in this respect is extremely negative & only detrimental in any future hope of a free & secure eNetherlands.. Why did we even go after the gold & shield rewards if you dont think we could ever beat the poles.. & like i said .. TWO can attack anywhere in the world.. your naive imo if you think otherwise!
& this goes for everyone.. if you cant take a little criticism about policies.. you shouldn't be in the government.. its not personal. its the Democratic way!
Oke but even based on what you say there is a flaw, enough of the Dutch people that have gone abroad for what ever reason are not allowed to participate in those countries ePolitics nor would many of us have a chance cause we are not involved aside from our citizenship with those countries. We fight work and actively participate in Dutch community, why would it matter what CS one holds, I rather judge people on there actions, and allot of those with foreign citizenship show there actions to be in favor of the dutch community, why should they have any less chance as you to be in congress?
Right now Congress is made up by the political parties who got voted in all the way back, while i agree its far from ideal it is what it is, and getting into congress based on that has nothing to do with once citizenship but rather the connection you have with the parties that have seats. While i agree there should be some limitations on it like you can not be in a foreign political party much less be part of there congress or government and at the same time hold such power here. I do not see a problem with foreign citizenship holding congress seat here if they are only working in what is in the best interest of the eNL and in some cases that does require getting a foreign CS.
So yes Foreign players real life or in erep should have that opportunity all the same, there should only be the limitation that the can show that there interests are what is best for eNL which does mean not being part of a forgein government or congress cause than you represent a other interest than just ours.
Nomadic, I'm not being negative but realistic. Fact is that we never won a RW by ourselves. Fact is that we wouldn't have won this RW by ourselves either. We ONLY won because van Spijck mobilised his friends in other countries into supporting us. You may not like it but these ARE the facts. But if you feel happier sticking your head in the sand and griping about everything that doesn't fits in your fantasy e-world, then so be it.
Frankie, this prolly has something to do with it as well. http://www.erepublik.com/en/main/latest-updates
MaartenW said himself that 1/3 of poland couldn't connect.
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Interesting article, voted