Old World Thinking in a New World
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by Exalted Druid
This game use to be about territory and the bonus’s those territories gave us citizens. The game was also about fighting for allies because they would fight for us when our time came.
This game is about none of those things any more. People fight for CO’s. Most of the big players are not even controlling where they fight, they use scripts to collect as much CO as they can. If they get caught fighting against an ally for CO they blame the script, if they even bother to defend it at all.
Unless you have a very rich country or have a foolish citizen willing to waist vast amounts of real money on your entertainment in the form of CO’s you can expect very little outside help.
People don’t fight for free. Every individual is a small business man looking after his own personal interest above that of any ally.
At best you can hope for is that if the CO’s are equal most your allies will actually fight for you instead of your enemy.
We also now have True Patriot cash. Unlike the CO this is cash coming into the game and into your pocket that does not rely on someone giving you his personal cash or cash from your own country’s treasury.
True Patriot cash is equivalent of having a CO set at 10 CC per million at 100% influence. For division 4 fighters like me it is decent income.
I have every Q weapons factory in the game including 2 Q7’s and enough gold in the bank to buy a 3rd if I felt stupid.
I have several food factories of various Q and 100’s of resource companies feeding them.
Do you know how much income I get from all this investment? Zero. None. I cannot even be bothered to sell any production. I manage to consume or give it all away.
With an economy so broken I don’t care about resource bonuses. They just don’t affect my bottom line that much.
That is why I believe that TP is by far the most important resource in this game. It is way more important than regions and their bonuses.
Once we have achieved at least 4 regions and few good bonuses’ TP should be our priority.
Perpetual war should be our goal. We have achieved this for time being with the Italian training war and we are also even getting some cash for our treasury in the form of rent.
The situation was, before the training war, is that we had 6 regions. We only had these regions because Italy and Albania gave them back to us without any preconditions.
We were starting the odd RW and failing in every one. Most of us with money were constantly in the 7 day penalty box. So here we were being occupied and yet getting next to no True Patriot cash for our trouble.
If we NE’d anyone we would be wiped in a few days and be put back to square one starting loosing RW’s every couple days at best.
This stalemate was a completely stupid situation. Why not take advantage of a willing partner and engage in a situation where we would collect TP every day for free?
Everyone seemed to understand the idea when we were running around Ireland collecting True Patriot cash. Most of us could not understand why Ireland did not want to continue the training war. We were all getting TP were we not?
Now I see some of us are thinking the same way Ireland did. We are thinking about the next to worthless territories and bonuses while ignoring the most important resource in the game, True Patriot cash.
Unless someone has a million or two CC sitting around to free us we should be taking advantage of this situation. Use your new world thinking and forget about the way the game use to be.
Money is flowing into our pockets and it is costing no one anything.
We are winning!
Yours respectfully,
Exalted Druid
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Excellent point
"Do you know how much income I get from all this investment? Zero. None. I cannot even be bothered to sell any production. I manage to consume or give it all away."
Sad and so very true.
Alright
Almost makes MPPs worthless imo. Almost better to try and become a merc nation selling the populations damage through a MPP.
Put up enough CO and everyone is your ally.
Interesting, voted
I guess I'll always be an Old World kind of guy. Stand up for what's right and don't rationalize it away even if it becomes inconvenient. Otherwise it isn't worth playing.
Interessing point of view
So...by your argument, Whats the point in button pushing with no end goal just to collect TP cash to fund more button pushing?
What is it you are waiting for?
what if we collect TP in direct battles? 😉
So you do loans with all that cash?
This article is very well written. It's also the perfect rationalization of selling out.
Essentially you're saying that our country doesn't matter, only money does.
To a certain degree, this makes total sense. It is certainly more economical to be fighting in training wars rather than focusing on region bonuses. But that's where your argument fails as you're also arguing that our regions don't matter from an economic view anyways.
We need something to fight for. Otherwise what's the point of this game? Sure, getting our country back won't really do us much good economically - and will cost us a lot - but at the same time being wiped won't make a big difference economically, other than to save us wasted RW cash.
This is what the discussion boils down to: why are we playing this game? Are we fighting just to make money or are we fighting for a purpose?
You make a nearly convincing argument for the former but ultimately it's self-defeating because what's the point of money if we have no real purpose to be spending it on?
I'm just suggesting taking advantage of the stalemate we were in. Things can change very quickly in this game. Right now Albania controls all our exit borders. None of our immediate allies has the money and power or will to do anything about that but eventually their hands will be forced.
Maybe we should start collecting donations for when we have an actual opportunity?
That only seems logical.
The way this way put forward was that this is the first step in our plan to retake our country. We end the current hostilities, regroup, and try again when the opportunity presents itself. Is there really not more to this plan?
Look, I get it - nobody really cares anymore. That's why this truce is going to be begrudgingly accepted by the silent majority who just can't be bothered to speak up anymore.
But it's a bad long term strategy for the game. People need something to fight for. Money from TP medals isn't going to do it for most players.
So if we still want to have any community left in a few months, we're going to have to plan for the fight ahead, even if it's a fight we lose. The community is worth more than the cash it produces. (Or it used to be anyways.)
I agree the community needs something to fight for. But if the community keeps losing what it is fighting for, people are unhappy anyways.
COs would kill these battles in the first couple rounds, returning it to the Spain wipe status quo. I remember what that did to eCan's community then, when we decided to fight for 8 tough months.
Liberation may not seem so hard this time, but we need the people around to set COs, coordinate RWs/supply which we are lacking unfortunately 😛
c+v+s some gifts?
Still too boring.
I'll keep my account around just in case we see a real update in the game.
Still if you are beginner like me, I do think every food bonus counts
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thank you very much!
Whoops. I hit delete by accident. Anyway, if you need more, let me know.
It's a game with no defined rules. It is what we make it.
not all of us have 1000's of gold sitting around bro... i see this game very differently, i dont own one or two of everything, we lose regions i have to start spending money because the few companies i do have are not making as much. you wonder why this game has no player retention? true patriot cash? are you kidding me, i get one of them a month if im lucky, i got a few recently because i spent actual money..... and i dont plan on doing that again
This rationalization only works if you are already a high level high damage dealing D4 player. If you are the average young player with no established infrastructure then you need those bonuses and that direction from the country. It is what establishes you as a player. Perhaps the high level players are mercs, but I imagine if you ask the younger lower level players then they would disagree.