Response to patton's manifesto.
Day 652, 06:33
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by Brian Boru
Well, since patton took the time to critique my manifesto, it wouldn't be right if I didn't return the compliment.
On Health, I'd like to know how you intend to cut waste due to inactivity.
A person can appear very active one week and go completely AWOL the next.
Ian has done a pretty decent job despite that fact.
On the IRC, when I say I'm going to promote something, that means I'll use everything available to me. Articles, adverts, the forums, people on the IRC getting out and promoting it themselves, and eRTÉ.
On the economy, when you say Digits' plan, I hope you're not talking about the trade bloc idea. That had nothing to do with Digits. The subsidies for private companies were my idea originally, the plan in place at present was Digits' version. It was well written at any rate.
On the state companies wages, they were reduced to 4 IEP recently.
Furthermore, reducing them to market levels would put new players at subsistence level, and as a socialist, I refuse to screw our new citizens over like that when we have other options available. They are not productive enough for companies to hire them profitably, so it is the duty of the state to train them.
On the communes, they are only one of the options I'll be exploring.
There is also commercialisation or diversification to consider. As for the time necessary to run them, we have a couple of committed communists in Ireland willing to put in the effort, so I don't think that'll be a problem.
On alliances, I think joining any of the existing ones would be extremely foolish for the foreseeable future. The United States, Canada and EDEN oppose the United Kingdom and PEACE. That puts us on the front line if we join either side. As a small country, the needs of the big countries and countries with high RM regions would outweigh our needs in terms of defence.
The policy of picking our own battles to fight is a good measure better than being pressured into doing things by the US, Romania or Hungary..
On appointing Grainne as MoD, when I asked her to apply for the cabinet if I am elected, she declined as she doesn't like to get involved in politics. I was going to appoint her CoS.
Lucky you for changing her mind.
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I'm one of those committed commies 😃
''On alliances, I think joining any of the existing ones would be extremely foolish for the foreseeable future. The United States, Canada and EDEN oppose the United Kingdom and PEACE. That puts us on the front line if we join either side. As a small country, the needs of the big countries and countries with high RM regions would outweigh our needs in terms of defence.''
However although I'm pro-neutral myself, even if we did join an alliance, the front lines are in Spain, the US, Canada, Russia, south-east Asia and France because those areas contain a lot more resources than we do. Even if our land opened a corridor to the UK and Europe, the UK isn't that big a player and the last thing EDEN wants is to stretch it's forces even more.
If we join Fortis, then PEACE is all around us.
Even with normal borders, they're right next door.
If we join PEACE GC, we're right beside the US.
They'll expect us to invade the US when they do, and it's unlikely they'll commit any serious manpower to defend us if the US invade.
You didn't have to sink to his level...
"You didn't have to sink to his level..."
What? I'm criticising his manifesto.
That's not sinking to any level lol
If we're to have an election on policy, we have to debate our policies.
About the minimum wage in state companies. It shouldn't be higher than the minimum wage. It achieves nothing by having it below the state companies pay. Employees wont go to the lower level jobs, it means that we are at a disadvantage in developing countries within eIreland. A possible solution would be to lower the state wage to the minimum wage, but increase the citizen fee, I'm low level, but to be honest while we aren't raking it in we have no real expenditure to speak of.
There are no lower level jobs Gabriel, because hiring those workers is unprofitable.
Your spot on Gabriel
lovin the Bosco avator
Patton doesn't really understand how Health runs tbh
I see you have butchered most of what I have said.
Economy - When I said I supported the plan created by Digits I meant exactly that. I really like his ideas on the private partnerships.
State Companies - I fail to see how paying workers for what they produce is " screwing them " .
Health - I didnt say Ian was doing a bad job. All I stated was I would make sure my MoH eliminated any waste.
Communes - I realize that is only one option you were pursuing. I was taking the time to tell everyone Im against that option.
Alliances - Did I suggest joining PEACE or Fortis ? Infact I said at present it would be foolish to join. However, I did say I would not be closeminded on the subject and be open to joining an alliance IF it is right for Ireland
Ps Thanks Pip
"When I said I supported the plan created by Digits I meant exactly that. I really like his ideas on the private partnerships."
The way you phrased it was misleading.
" I fail to see how paying workers for what they produce is " screwing them " . "
Simple, they'd be barely stratching a living on it.
"I didnt say Ian was doing a bad job. All I stated was I would make sure my MoH eliminated any waste."
There is very little waste as it is, that's not hard...
"I realize that is only one option you were pursuing. I was taking the time to tell everyone Im against that option."
Where are your policies on state companies other than cutting wages?
"Did I suggest joining PEACE or Fortis ? Infact I said at present it would be foolish to join. However, I did say I would not be closeminded on the subject and be open to joining an alliance IF it is right for Ireland"
The problem with that is, there is no alliance planned or in existence that we could realistically join. I'm close-minded to the current lot and the lot in the foreseeable future for good reasons. Saying you'd be open to joining a hypothetical alliance that doesn't exist and hasn't been proposed yet is very easy.
Patton, your manifesto concentrates mostly on my position.
Where's the innovation? Where's the creativity!
I want a battle of policies, not this!!
Are we really reduced to this again? already?!?!?!?
Lads, deal with the issues. Be clear in what your message is, we don't need vagueness and empty rhetoric.
Binksy, what do you have against a civilised presidential debate?
"" I fail to see how paying workers for what they produce is " screwing them " . "
Simple, they'd be barely scratching a living on it."
(edited for spelling)
How do you scratch by in erepublik? Either you have food, or you dont. A house is nice, and we have a system in place to get any citizen one at a reasonable cost, and game mechanics, the 5 gold for lvl 6 allow this to happen with no more interference than already exists through the MoH I believe.
Why do low level citizens need to be wealthy? They have no luxuries to buy, except maybe a gift for a friendly player showing them the ropes.
good points octavius
Octavious, you are right, I'm low and I would much rather have employment options as I move up the skill ladder than some extra money now that would just be lying in my account.
Octavius, low level players need weapons to fight better in the war games.
Look low level players would be better waiting until their strength is higher anyway. With regard to weapons as it is now we could only fight every third day based on current wages and commodity prices.
why do exploring communes have anything to do with the government? If someone wants to explore communes tell them to do it themselves, but not with the governments money.
the health ministry is always full of waste, it just comes with the territory because you can't ensure that someone isn't just going to quit or leave the country
"why do exploring communes have anything to do with the government? If someone wants to explore communes tell them to do it themselves, but not with the governments money. "
Exploring costs nothing pdiddy...
lwr lvl plyrs need a bud,explore=0,results?priiceless.
MoD/CoS wot is plan,,,,??
Get rid of MoD, it isnt needed, let CoS look after the army and give advise to the MoFA and the president. CoS can then organise the military and hopefully be none political so as to have longevity and to train in replacements.
What does the MoD do that can't be co-opted into either MoFA or CoS?
Gabriel.... hmmm..... some well researched words for one so young. Strange indeed. verrrrryy strange 🙂
Good to see the debate kicking in.... maybe we'll get an IRC presidential debate? Or even a forum one!?
Isnt that why the IDF should give out weapons to its soldiers ?
Sean, I found a link to this on 4chan a few days ago, I have time off work before I go back to college so I have plenty of time on my hands. I have spent a lot of time in the wiki and articles, I just read the entire history or WW3 up to today development for instance. With regard to the lingo Mo(😵 is pretty simple and I twigged CoS when I saw Grainne on about it.
Don't worry I'm no sock puppet, this bosco has his(was bosco a boy?) opinions.
LOL @SP.
Hey Bosco, don't be alarmed, everytime a wide-awake citizen comments in a way that shows they might "get" the military challenges, Grainne gets a host of multi-ing accusations.
I'd have to be a Bot really, but hey...you get me..
@Gabriel Peddie your to be commended on your research. It brilliant to have someone who is willing to learn, playing the game. please continue to take part.
On the MoD, it's about civilian control of the Military in RL. here it's allows the politics of the military (the MoD) to be separated from the purely military aspects of running the army the CoS. The President still passes his orders through the chain of command to the CoS and then it is passed on down through the ranks.
"On appointing Grainne as MoD, when I asked her to apply for the cabinet if I am elected, she declined as she doesn't like to get involved in politics. I was going to appoint her CoS.
Lucky you for changing her mind. "
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Come talk to me Boru, that doesn't refect my recollection of the conversation you and I had at all.
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It's not my job or skill or pleasure to do suit-work. That's up to you suity-dudes yourselves. If any of you, elected that is, want me to sort out the military with your team? Call me an make me an offer. My C.V. won't be getting sent in. My begging days are over. You want help you know where I am and where I've always been.
Weapons are nice, but not necessary. I have used weapons only 5 or 6 times and I am a Sergeant with 1061 damage dealt, who is still under two months old.
Though your point is valid Manni, perhaps something set up through the state run weapons factories could be used to supply citizens with Q1 weapons in times of war? That would seem a more efficient expenditure than high wages for potentially inactive new players.
Very interesting, Gentlemen. I will be weighing in shortly. 🙂 Do continue your debate. *munches on popcorn*
"Octavious, you are right, I'm low and I would much rather have employment options as I move up the skill ladder than some extra money now that would just be lying in my account."
Well, as employing you is unprofitable, you'd still have only one employment option....
There might be the occasional new company owner that hires you, but they simply can't last long due to the fact that low skill workers are unprofitable.
"It's not my job or skill or pleasure to do suit-work. That's up to you suity-dudes yourselves. If any of you, elected that is, want me to sort out the military with your team? Call me an make me an offer. My C.V. won't be getting sent in. My begging days are over. You want help you know where I am and where I've always been."
Oh? You do realise that if you're MoD, that is pretty much entirely suit work.....
@Grainne, would you support getting rid of the MoD and seperating the duties between MoFA the President and the CoS? I just think that the military should have more consistency and be apolitical.
@BB lower level player such as myself are not profitable because the minimum wage is too high. How much gold does it take to set up a company that would be able to keep itself in the black? The upgrade costs to get to higher levels are prohibitive and mean that we have reduced competitiveness, just look on the job market higher up for evidence of that. Can't you see that your policies stop eIrish citizens from setting up companies here?
Message to all who will listen.
I was let go by Irish State Weapons, presumably because my skill level in now too high at 2.2. Unfortunately there are no jobs available at this level because wage costs are too high for employers to be able to operate with lower level workers. It seems the aim of the government is that you are either overpaid or unemployed at my level. Luckily there is a company founded called Transcendent Arms that are highering at 4.5 IEP for all people. This company is new but their wages aren't realistic and the company will either go under or higher more skilled workers, once again leaving people like me stranded between 2-3 skill points and with no prospect of advancing. Is it better that I have no income rather than enough IEP that would let me buy food, without a job I'll have to either leave the country or leave the game altogether.
You are discouraging players like myself from participating.
A friend of mine joined last week ,,, worked yesterday and hit level 2 construction and was fired within 2 minutes of working , the only job available was a q2 job at min wage ,, he left for usa and has trouble getting job there also.. all this combined with wage cut a few days into his game means he's quitting game now ,,
@Castaneda: Are you saying that we shouldn't cut minimum wage?
If the only lvl 2 constrution jobs are q2 paying minimum wage , how can someone afford q2 food if min wage is cut ?
no to pay cuts till prices drop on the markets
we dont need q2 food yet, not when we have wars. Prices and wages need to fall in tandem. The companies wont bother lowering prices if the competition doesn't force them too. Anyway the price of Q2 food is well below the current minimum wage.
Cutters Bread --- Q2 --- 389 3.04 IEP
Copied and pasted from the marketplace.
We CAN reduced wages now.
Oh and food is mainly related to wage rates since they are involved twice in the production of food. Both in grain and then manufacture. The gold-adjusted inflation isn't the best measure in this case as most of the business is internal so the international exchange rate isn't overly important.
q2 food is needed wen u start the game u cant fight til lvl 5 r 6 i cant remember which, im sure sum 1 will post , and with a q2 job and training u lose 3 wellness a day and over the 6 r 7 r 8 days it takes people to level up (some dont play everyday and wkends ) u cant stay above 40 wellness to be able to fight
q2 food should be roughly twice the price of q1 not 3 times and proposal is for min wage of 2.50
lol @ Brian, oho?
Market forces will balance the prices dude. lrn2economics
As one of the major employers in eIreland i ensure that there are always skill 2 positions available in my companies because I know that there is a constant stream of new employees out of the State Companies.
I, incidentally, also sell Q2 food.
I have never sold Q2 food for more than I pay Q2 workers, and wouldn't becuase that means my workers are losing health.
Lost health=lost production=lost profit.
As far as the minimum wage, i have never worried about it because the Staties pay more, it's a non-issue.
The real step this country needs to make is having a National Bank that will constantly keep enough currency on the market to stabilize the currency, most large countries do this and their currency does not fluctuate. When this happens the Q2 food price will stabilize. When this happens the government can set the State Salary just (comfortably) above that and all will be right.
And, @Gabriel:
The currency exchange rate always matters because businesses do not buy their grain domestically, it's too expensive. It has to come from overseas.
@Octavius,
In my opinion the mind set behind suggesting that we give lower level players weapons is based the simple fact that the only aspect of personal military development that one can control on their own is their rank. The quicker you are promoted the better you can defend eIreland. It is my opinion that it is an eIrish citizens duty to be as strong as possible to defend Eire. I purchase my own weapons. I am a month younger than you and a Lieutenant with 2382 of damage and 8 more fights.
At your current level assuming 100% health the most damage you can do open handed is 15. With just a Q1 mine is 35. We are talking thousands of lost damage points spread over the population and that lost damage may just hold the bastards back one day.
Donovan I have been accruing funds to set up a company or two. I have not had the spare resources to purchase weapons. This does not mean I shun their use. As I said before I think a system in which weapons are handed out by the state weapons companies would be a great idea. But as Gabriel has said a 5 iep wage, after food, allows someone to buy only one weapon every three days of work. I am curious as to how you have more fights than I do. I haven't missed a battle since the war games started that I know of, and I only forfeited the option for battle one time.
@Octavius-I fought in America early on, and Greece prior to the MPP activating. I wasn't implying an error on or misdead on your part, I think we may be approaching the same destination from different directions. I'm able to augment my gold via RL. My belief is that new citizens need the states weapons more than established players. I think you may agree.
@AX Group, why is it so dear to buy domestically? eIreland has 2 medium grain areas but still needs to import? Wages are too high. Ps there are no manufacturing jobs for level 2 manufacturing available now so your gathering jobs mean nothing to citizens like me.