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Leaving CoT is the cowards way out.

No-one said anything about leaving CoT!!!

Indeed, but Dan/naD just want to make sure that idea wouldn't come on the table 🙂

I've heard talk before about it. I just hope you can keep those voices oppressed!

Oppressed? 😮 FREEDOM OF SPEEEEEEEECH

Freedom of speech my arse... Some things should just not be said, like racism. Or do you support freedom of speech for that too?

ebelgian is the courage to remain independent from foreign pressure, despite being a small country. independent in case of either wars or ptos.

ebelgian is being friendly with all countries when at peace, but fight at maximum and until the end when any aggression occurs.

ebelgian is to do not forget who fought for ebelgium, even if he has never been ebelgian, and ebelgian is to do not forgive who fought against ebelgium, even if he's been a long standing ebelgian.

ebelgian is respecting the elected officials of ebelgium, the country president and the congress (if not PTOed), and all their orders and laws and dispositions, even if you feel they're wrong.

ebelgian is to never use ebelgian orgs, or MUs, or even parties, as a personal or faction property, but only as tools for ebelgium as a whole.

this is what i intended when in ebelgium and the ideas that i shared with the people in the parties and in the MUs where i have been.

I know others have a different idea XD

A friend is not under government orders. I acted according to the best long term interest of eBelgium given the total situation and that's the only thing a friend can do when he's in a nation that's at war with you. That's the only thing I have left to say to you; I don't expect you to understand because you keep chosing to ignore facts.

I ignore facts?
I showed you lots of fact the you ignored.
Other facts you ignore:
1) Belgium refused to sign MPP with Indonesia, when so requested, because UK was airtriking Indonesia. Belgium didn't want to bw at war with the UK. Instead, the UK attacked Belgium without even trying to solve the question in a diplomatic way.
For you it' like, our bunch of bullies (TWO) decided to beat you (Belgium), so, as good friends, we decided to beat you instead of a bigger bully...
I would not call it friend, but complice.
2) You're not Belgian, in fact you continue to defend UK point of you instead of the Belgian one. Good for the British. But as you may read in this article from our CP, Belgians should decide on their interests, not you.

If only you applied that equally towards everyone, I could maybe believe you really think this way and that you're not just trying to bring an entire country into your little personal vendetta.

I'm getting really sick of your insults towards me and will by this kindly ask you to stop spreading lies in eBelgium. Especially in regards to the war you and Kaad caused.

well, you fought against Belgium and shouted against Belgium and won many BHs against belgium, are these lies?
whichever the decisions of the belgian govenrnment, you fought against the decisions of the belgian government.
this makes you a loyal british citizen and valuable TWO soldier, but not a friend of belgium at all.

and btw... belgium never voted an AS!!! More: the vote was never started, as even the CP (JdlF, the guy who had to press the button!!!!) was against this AS (and me too, btw :/).
It was MaryamQ, your close friend in belgium, to decide, as acting CP when JdlF was in vacation, to publish the article about the AS on the official newspaper, as she was the only one in belgium with the authority to publish the article (but not to launch the airstike vote, which was up only to the CP).

if only the UK sent a pm to the CP or to the Belgian MoFA before starting a war...
but the difference between bullies and friends is this one: when there is a misunderstanding, friends talk to solve the issue, instead bullies use their force to dictate their point of view.
for one week belgium tried to talk with uk officials: no reply.

you think you're a friend of belgium because you did a lot in the past of belgium, and you have friends within the old players.
differently from you, i think that all those standard players that in these days fought against uk, following the orders of the belgian government and until the end of their storage, putting maybe only half a stupid million a day in the war, well, i think they deserve more praises from the current belgium than you.

this is my "personal vendetta", i have nothing against you, personally: you're a good player, a loyal british citizen and a valuable TWO soldier, as I explained before.
I just think that fighting hard against belgium is not friendly at all...

and yes, i got sick with you thinking that fighting hard against belgium is what you expect from a "friend of belgium".

MaryamQ acted as vCP on orders pushed through by Kaad the CoT MC. You were defending this AS "to help Switzerland" as MoFA in the comments of that very article. You should really stop taking people for idiots, there was no misunderstanding, you made an error of judgement.

You were given two options for your announced airstrike on Slovenia: a quick wipe by eUK or a long wipe by ePoland. You're fully aware of the option which is preferable for eBelgium at any given time. That's not a stone wall since you had declared war on TWO and continued to fuel it. Don't pretend it's the other way around and come whining afterwards. Take responsibility for your actions for once instead of always blaming it on other people.

Me tanking against eBelgium has allowed you to close this war faster (making it quick), in fact me tanking against eBelgium has cost me a spot in the top 3 of the current competition and I would rather have done those 300m on food fights elsewhere. When it comes to shouting, as a 2nd Commander of an MU in a nation you're at war with I do not have the exact same liberties to execute the wishes of the government of eBelgium. There are things I do because I have to do them. What I do for eBelgium behind closed doors is far different, those who know what I do defend me, those who are blinded by their personal grudges against me choose to ignore it.

Lastly, I'm happy you finally give me a chance to defend myself against your accusations because bullies like you, sneak behind the back of others to go commit character assassination preferably in a place where the other person can't defend themselves. You don't need to pretend you are my friend, your actions over the past two months have shown your true colours already. Spreading lies insinuating that eBelgium has no special place in my day to day doings is an entirely different thing and is something I can not allow you to do.

So how the AS could be voted on, if the CP was in vacation? I would like to know that...

And CoT can't order Country Presidents anything, maybe in TWO it is different: CPs are the guys who press buttons, I saw many times the CoT HQ changing policy because of unilateral decisions of CPs... CoT HQ didn't give a xxxx if Belgian CP refused to AS: other CPs were expected to AS... and didn't! 😛

MaryamQ was the acting CP, she knew that only the CP could have started a vote, I said her to do not publish the article, when she published it, i thought that JdlF, the CP, agreed, as he's the only one that can push the button. Well, only now I know that he didn't agree (he also blamed me that I didn't stop her XD ). 😒

And sure: I defended the AS saying it was to defend Switzerland.
As MoFA of Belgium it was my duty to defend and justify the foreign policy of the CP, or of the acting CP, even if I thought it was wrong.
It was my duty of Belgian officer to do so. You said that you're 2nd commander of a MU: well, I was MoFA and I had my duty.
As I said before: "ebelgian is respecting the elected officials of ebelgium, the country president and the congress (if not PTOed), and all their orders and laws and dispositions, even if you feel they're wrong." 🙂

I also threaten to leave the government on this issue of the AS, but i remained MoFA mainly to manage the anti-PTO with the other CoT countries, as the MoFA and the aMC have access to CoT private channels, do you want to ask to CoT MoFAs and aMC about that? Ask daanitha, annexia, kody5, FissionMailed...
You're talking of things you don't know. An you have the arrogance to do not ask: you just fought thinking on being right! 😮

Thank you to have made the war to finish faster... well... why do i have to thank you? The Belgian government didn't want that!
Are you an officer of the elected Belgian government? Which is your authority to take decisions on Belgians' behalf?
How arrogant are you to decide what is better for belgium??

How arrogant are you for continuing to spread lies ? You have done nothing about this airstrike inside your government because you decide to accept a MoFA position when you know you're going to go on vacation, ruining the chances of other players in eBelgium. You just keep on coming up with more false information. You and your government made the wrong decision with that article and faced the consequences of that decision. However, nothing is ever your fault and you get to blame everyone else. I don't know how people can stand to continue working with you.

Are you also saying that closing the war faster and not getting you wiped by Poland was not the best for eBelgium ? I'm not talking about CoT information there, You were attacked for publishing that article, not because you would launch an airstrike. I'm talking about TWO information. Information you HAD but preferred to disregard.

You always threaten with leaving when something doesn't suit you rather then trying to find a solution to a problem, don't you ?

Sure: I threatened to leave the goverment, because I didn't want that someone later would have said that I planned wrong my foreign policy. In fact: here you are \o/
Unfortunately JdlF and MaryamQ asked me to manage anti-PTO and I needed access to CoT channels to do that.

JdlF went in vacation in his last days of CP. Ok, it was not good... And so?
Who took the wrong decision was the acting-CP, MaryamQ, who published an article without even being sure that GUY WHO HAD TO PRESS THE BUTTON agreed on it.
MaryamQ and Kaad and JdlF, and also somebody in the CoT HQ (i guess i said also there), can say to you that i didn't agree with the AS, and they knew my objections.
As MoFA I had to follow acting-CP orders, as she was entrusted by the CP. I could have resigned as MoFA: but I would have lost access to cot channels, and it would have been difficult to coordinate the anti-PTO.

And i went in vacation only less than a day before the end of my term... From 9 erep on the 5th to 6 pm on the 6th... Which opportunity did I steal? Your CP is one week that doesn't reply to our CP...

Nohjis, i write it big: I COMPLETELY AGREE WITH UK ATTACKING BELGIUM. It was the most logical thing to do. I said many times that if I were the Slovenian CP, I would have asked UK or Poland to do so.
And so?
You fought for the British side, not for the Belgian side! Belgium is not Britain. Another country, another governement, other priorities.
You followed the orders and the priorities of the United Kingdom and TWO: to wipe Belgium. The orders of the Belgian MoD was to resist the invasion.
As I said before, I repeat: you're a good and loyal British soldier, and British citizen, and British MU commander. You did your best for your country. I admire it.
But, well, you acted as a really bad friend of Belgium, because you went against Belgian government's orders...

i confirm that I asked Cot Mc (Kaad) to check on the governement, on eUK and on ePL to start an AS and that this decision would have to be made regarding everyone opinion at least among the government. I was not really happy following COT orders at that time. Nevertheless he asked me 10 hours before i took my plane and then he acted so fastly that the AS was perceived as quite official. I blame myself for that, not being clear engough. I wanted my gov to be involved in. Despite my will a discussion has started between Kaad, me and my vCP. The time I connected, the discussion was already nearly over and the AS waas quite of scheduled. I also made a bad move before leaving, not telling someone else that Kaad planned an AS and that I wanted them to check it seriously.

Bref, we had few incomprehensions like:
-Kaad thought I was 100% agreeing with him while I asked to look for an AS possibility (I even ask my gev to check with the CP candidate as I didn't beleive the AS would be launched during my term).
-MaryamQ and tony Clifford beleived I agreed 100% on this (while i asked on investigating it).
-Then I believed they were all ok as Kaad told me it was settled (meaning in my min😛 gov and congress agreement).

So eventually, yes we were looking for AS possibilites.

But anyway eUK have other ways to put our AS down than invading us. It was just an opportunist movement toward a firendly country and nothing can change that. And it's the reason i'm not saying "it's your fault" or mine to Kaad, MQ or TC (or me)... just because you made an opportunist move without knowing, without asking. But i'm happy to know that when eBE moves its finger you fear it enough to wipe it. That's friendship.

ps: not cp anymore. It's just my personal opinion.

Friendship is not a one way street, in a game of 71 countries it's not that difficult to follow everyone and act upon it. I notice we had a fun short war where you're now enabled to set yourself free even before congress elections even if I personally feel that's not in your best intrest. You've learned that playing alliance games does encompass certain risks and that friendship from nations in the opposing alliance shouldn't just be taken for granted.

I still see you both fail to understand that the only other option was the solution the Netherlands have been facing for some months now.

You speak by misteries.
I do hope eUK will give our regions back. And then we'll be able to talk on other subjects. But you've to understand right now that we are just in an offended position whatsoever. And be sure we understand the problems facing eBE, thank you for your consideration.
But again I say you are speaking with misteries telling us that we had information or something ... Which isn't the case.

Nevertheless, it's not important. eUK took its opportunity and that's it. Nothing more, nothing less.

Ohnoes, the drama lama

Right JdlF you're allowed to be in denial since you were on vacation. You had the following information presented to your vCP by the TWO SG: You can choose between a long wipe by Poland and a short wipe by UK. When you (eBelgium) offend people, you really should expect retaliation. This is normal, I know that in eBelgium when offended you stick your heads into the sands usually but still...

P.S.: Hi shadow, good to see you're still alive.

Hi, I had this info and I made it clear: short wipe. But i'm not CP anymore as you know 😁.

I even talked with Carlini but ... He's not CP anymore to \o/.

I assume agreements with CoT are/were made to a rather serious extent? In that case, these should be honored.
Let's agree that no one wants to be part of a country that changes it mind anytime new opportunities arise (no matter what the influences are). Agreements need to be met.

Hold our course, stay in COT and stay independent,
if not many eBelgium citizens will leave to seak happiness abroad

we are able to help CoT but no need full mpp's to do that. If we see our place in the eworld, we are not a country who can have a big influence, then it's better to stay in good relations with other countries.

Now you know my view for the congress. No need to repeat that.

We must now push the diplomacy to stop our errors.

To me, eBelgium should be a friendly country. A country that chooses an alliance because it is part of the game, that we all want to have some MPP's and do some hits daily. It should also be loyal to its alliance, unless the alliance gives serious reasons to consider leaving it (dying alliance, major internal problems, HQ not caring about eBe...not if they just have a hard time militarily though). But eBelgium should be looking above any alliances, be nice to every country it communicates with and welcome any well-meaning guest and applicant.

To me, eBelgium should be a sanctuary of peace amidst the ever turbulent political and relational eWorld around us. It should be a place where people can cut themselves off and just have fun without having to deal with destructive quarrels and imperialistic desires. In that sense, eBelgium must stay proud but humble. Valued but without ego. A country with communication, warmth and openness as the core of its mentality.

Speak up ???? Ok, but about what ???

If only we had something clear to give our "advice and support". I don't have a clue about what UK wants. Give some more explanation please.

maybe even the cp doesn't know what uk wants?

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Ok, so I "speak up" about the only thing I've got in my mind : No pact.

- Wait for the "epic warfare" to be ended.
- Launch Resistance Wars as much as we can. We won't win them for a while, but it will annoy UK.
- Wait for the right time : either when UK will get tired of our RW, either when CoT will make a operation to liberate us.

But no pact. We've got invaded : we assume, we fight and we don't bow.

anyway i'll fight UK !

Request help from CoT to liberate, maybe? If the Brits don't want to sit and negotiate we better stand for ourselves. The RW's will do good, but must be started soon if we wanna use this for extra prestige points.

FIGHT FOR CoT, FIGHT FOR eBELGIUM!