Discussion Point: MPPs are they worth it?
Rusty D
Dear citizens of eIreland,
We all know that one of the regular laws that is passed in most enations are ones of Mutual Protection Pacts or MPP for short. These MPP laws, allows an offensive and defensive agreement between two nations. Basically...
These agreements come at a cost of 10,000cc per country, so if country A signs one with country B, both of them will have to pay the 10,000cc. And if we look at the Irish MPP stack, we can see a total of 10 MPPs still active or a total cost of 100,000cc to renew them all.
Whilst these agreements tend to be valid for 30 days, they can be cancelled due to a 'Friend of a Friend' clause, or in a better term:
Example: If Sweden and Germany both have a MPP with Poland, and Sweden attacks Germany, the MPP between Sweden and Poland is cancelled.
Which is what happened when Uruguay and South Korea entered into there Training War, eIreland lost their MPP with Uruguay and with it the 10,000cc that it cost us.
To prevent this from happening, one way is to use outside tools like this site which can show us if we were to invade/AS/have a TW with a nation, which MPPs will be effected.
At a cost of 10k each, as well as the fact the more MPPs you have, the higher the cost of conducting an AS is (the energy requirement is based on this formula Energy units required = (country citizenship population + all allies population) * 250), having a large stack of MPPs can actually limit the military options given to a nation (due to cost of AS and friend of friend clause) as well as impact on its monthly budgeting.
So when are they effective, back in the day, they were effective when the government worked hand in hand with their allies and tabled daily orders to include allies who might need some assistance. However in todays game, more and more people find it easier to freely travel to do battles or to chase CO rather then see who is their allied nation. This is not helped when governments do not release daily orders or the MU citizens are apart of, do not list MPP nations in their priority stack.
However they are effective when a country is fighting for it's freedom. As they allow (with communication between nations) fighters from another nation, to join battles, with out the need of a moving ticket. This where the cost of an MPP might make it much easier for a nation to fight against any oppressors.
In peace time there is also sometimes a need for a greater MPP stack. Since an attacking country, might do some research into their plan target and see that it would be harder then they think when the target has plenty of MPPs. After all, if Ireland was to attack lets say Australia who has 1 MPP, it would be considered easier then to take on Iran who has 19 MPPs (in the sense of allied power and not individual country power).
Currently eIreland is apparently in a 'Training War'. This is roughly the same across the board with most enations, they are either in an agreed upon training war or a forced training war. With only a few actual proper wars being fought.
With this in mind, one would have to wonder what is the need to spend 10,000cc on renewing a MPP that will never be used. Taking eIreland for example, if we currently have 10 MPPs and yet are not looking at doing any hostile actions, wouldnt it be better for the government to spare that 100,000cc per month to be used elsewhere or saved for another battle?
This is a large amount of money for a nation that only earns roughly 45,000cc a month. If one of our allies do decide to do an attack, an MPP can be proposed in the lead up to the attack or in the case of an AS, after there AS law has been proposed (to reduce the cost of the AS).
If you listen to the narrative of the government of eIreland, you will here that we are broke, this was shown when the Ministry of Community had to beg for cash to be used for events, as well as when the VCP wanted to raise taxes to help pay for more MPPs. We are currently in a lovely TW, going from the CPs own article. So is there an actual need for MPPs or pretty much any MPP?
Looking at the 10 we have, majority are in training wars themselves and some are even not at war.
So I ask you, is the desire to have a big MPP stack worth the cost? or would the money be better spent elsewhere or saved for future actions?
Thanking you,
Rusty D
Comments
Now you are bringing me around to the idea that we are throwing away money having ANY MPPs.
the moc raised funding. its not begging. most usa politicians have countless fundraisers . i think there is a story of a congress man who said basically it is like working at a call centre when your not in congress as such.
also mpp's is not a waste of time. its a placeholder a mutual assurance that both parties is on the same team. its for the mod/mofa to arrange priorities on allied countries.
We dont have a MoD, our MoFA is very very quiet. And if we are in a TW we are not in need of a defensive pact. Since most of our current MPP partners are also not in proper action, we dont need to have an offensive pact.
I am raising it as a discussion point, our government has come out and said we dont have much money, so let us discuss the need for any MPP at this point. If one of our friends (they can still be friends with out a MPP ) does want help in a war, we can sign it then. But wouldnt the money be better saved?
i am discussing it. well snubbing your friends might cost you more in the long run. seems like penny wise but pound foolish. u save 10000 in a month or 120000 in a year whilst getting that nations fighters to fight for you might cost 1,2 million in Co's in a year
Ireland needs to sign MPP's with nations that will help in your struggle. Not MPP's that just look good for the population.
You guys need an aggressive military leader. Someone who has experience in being occupied and also have experience on conquering other enations.
Ireland needs MPPs so we can easily help our allies, not just for our allies to serve us
Totally agree Rusty and have said so in Congress. The current Irish Gov is happy to be the vassal state of Peru and has no ambition to make any efforts to rid us of the invaders. The TW is not a TW. It is an occupation with the approval of the gov, We are a Vichy state, Happy with the status quo.
So would it not be better to save the 100k for action in the future when we get a gov that will actually have an interest in having Ireland free and if not able to be free then with at least the ambition to be so?
Which is why I have called them collaborators, which they are, in the foulest sense of the word.
I can help you with the cost of one MPP (10000cc) a month.
I think the diplomatic value of MPPs has been undervalued in the analysis but a good detailed article. Voted.