[jw] So something happened, what happens now?
Hell The Great
It doesn't take a genius to realise that recently, some things happened. We have had political bickering since time began, but never, ever has this bickering had such an effect. However, until now it has basically always been one side, versus another. The history of the UK reflects this, and unless something changes, will continue to do so.
We went from the TUP-UKRP dichotomy of old, with unending bawwww about RRS, House of Lords, UNDEMOCRATIC and role-play, towards a new and exciting TUP-ESO dichotomy of semi-old. This, coincidentally had an unending bawwww of Y SO SERIOUS, role-play and DAMAGING THE UK ARMY. We then went on to a TUP-UKPP dichotomy of tedious continuity, which shock horror had an unending bawwww of role-play, MESSAGING OUR PARTY, Nick Griffin and BUYING NEW PLAYERS WITH GUNS.
From there we then, for a change, had a new dichotomy, TUP and anti-NE, vs NE and anti-TUP. This, coincidentally had an unending bawwww of role-play, BUYING NEW PLAYERS WITH GUNS and a delightful new baww of DAPPERING. This dichotomy has changed over time, due to the fall of UKPP, to become 'anti-dapper/goku/churchill(?)' vs 'not anti-dapper/goku/churchill'.
One thing, you will note, is that present in all of these, is of course, The TUP Unity Party of Unity. Now as someone who has spent time in #unityisstrength, #ukrp.private, #ukpp, #eso and #hateeverything, I can safely say that I have been involved on both sides of the fresh and exciting and constantly changing dichotomy within UK politics. But what is this all leading towards?
In the past, parties were guilty of seeing themselves as the only sensible option to rule the UK. In the past, parties would trade seats in cabinet, make no-contest deals to further their chances in congress elections, and unite to ensure that if nothing else, at least ____ wouldn't get their candidate to the Presidency. For those of you not around then, I've been on both sides of it; and when it was successful and not so much. The reason I bring all of this up, is because it is the picture that some would have you believe, still holds true in the UK today. In the majority of cases, I'd say that it simply is not the case, save for a few within the echelons of TUP and New Era. The fact is, the vast majority of every party couldn't give two hoots what party you are in, so long as you are going to be competent, active, or at the bare minimum do less harm than good.
Which leads me to quite simply, a fork in the road. It is unquestionable that UKPP through naivety, and New Era through either naivety, malice or a combination of both, have cost ESO and UKPP their parties this month. Where do we go from here? Are people ready to actually talk about a future where we aren't second guessing each other? Please, do not confuse this as support for a 'What will it take to get New Era to ____' or 'What should TUP do so that ____', the fact is that neither of these parties are particularly good at representing those who are not members. They never have been, and never will be. Both are political machines, and that is why they are where they are; neither can survive by prioritising non-members above their own, otherwise their memberships will dwindle, just as UKPP, PCP, UKRP and ESO have.
The point to this is quite simple. New Era did not grow because Dapper has 3 Q7s, just as UKPP, ESO, UKRP etc grew before them. No country will ever be a one party state. Thus, there are a few things that I feel, people need to remember
- Elections may decide the makeup of Government, but they don't reduce its responsibilities
Regardless of what party you started in, were elected from, or end up in, being in office means you represent everyone. So TUP, whilst possibly being elected on a 'booo New Era suck' ticket, are still representing New Era members.
- The political module decides the winners
There is no point trying to circumvent elections. If you want to be in power, then you have to fight for it. People complain because of a certain person, action or event? Then do something about that, or ensure it doesn't happen again, and people will stop talking about it.
- The vast majority of the UK give less than two seconds thought to bickering
Talk of the death of democracy, the bullying of a member or the evil keers/dapper/TUP/NE may bring you 3 members, but it will ensure you never get the support of the other 27. No-one in their right mind joins this game looking for arguments, nemesis's or enemies. People are here to explore, get away from the real world and if nothing else, just click until they're bored of clicking. The fact we have such small politics should indicate first and foremost, that no-one is engaging with the majority of players these days, so everyone has to do something about it.
There are three routes from here on out.
a) We end up in A vs B communities again, and continue the dichotomous history we've had since the game began, but with tedious and nonsensical over-exagerations of everything
b) Things return to how they were before 'serbiagate' until the next big 'GOOD GOD WHAT THE' moment in a few weeks/months time.
c) Things get just that little bit more tolerable.
Whichever of these happens, its not just up to the warring sides we have today, but everyone in the UK; regardless of party membership (or if you even have a party at all). Get involved, do something. Make the UK better.
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Vote for good gov United Kingdom...
"PERTAMAXX from eINDONESIA"
I think it's almost an art to write such a pointless article. I couldn't have done it better.
I say we leave TUP & NE Too it, Let them spiral in each other's death grip and the rest of us can work together to get chances to actually do things as a community.
The most unbearable part of the whole 'It's TUP's fault' argument is that new players are taught by some that they have no chance of getting involved and that because they're in one party that is fighting for good, they will be discriminated against when it comes to government roles.
When in reality now more than ever more applicants are needed for Government... Apply and send a nice message about why you want a chance and you'll probably get a shot at it.
It's the numbers game mentality that causes all this bawww imo.
Its not just NE that are ensuring its a spiral though. There are people within TUP that have no interest in anything other than TUP. It isn't palatable to leave things as they are imo, because as we saw this month, even leaving well alone can result in challenges for other parties.
Oh I agree, Several in TUP love fuelling it and getting the fire burning more.
And several TUP members have a sense of superiority and some sort of right to dictate because of their parties standing.
But I'm not suggesting we ignore them entirely, I'm suggesting we leave them to their constant bickering and as parties outside of it we make it patently clear that we want nothing to do with it and our preferred choice is not to pick between the devil we know or the one we don't to rule us, But instead to force a space for those who would rather just get on with things and enjoy ourselves.
If those of us outside those two parties worked more cohesively together we'd soon show them that their bickering is energy wasted and they'll see the result of doing so.
I agree, I'm stopping my baw articles. There's just too much negativity there and it leads to nothing.
in batteries, negativity leads to possitvity and we got electricity...
I agree with alphabethis there without a bit of negativity you wouldn't appreciate the positives. It is just when you swing too far in one direction that you get problems. - how's that for a pointless comment 😛
hmmm, you are being rather generous here, ayame, you imply that all of us have a mentality... for example, kevin the goat has no one ( yet he is blantantly used for political purposes)
Your cowardice in not choosing the side of righteousness has been noted.
Something tells me you haven't experienced the endless rounds of bawww boxing going on here 😛
cowardice ? no, just vested interests ,... and kevin the goat.
We need to move beyond an us vs. you approach to politics. It doesn't work here, and it doesn't work in real life (does the US Congress ring a bell?). If you want dysfunction, all you have to do is create two artificial 'sides' and have at it.
If anything, the 'active' players at the top of some of the parties are the most to blame. As you point out here, the second that a party begins to pose a serious challenge to taking the top spot, the guns come out and the dirty tricks begin. I know, I was on the receiving end of it for a time. The message often becomes 'well if you're not with us then you are with them (and they are evil)' or 'we are the only serious/natural/talented/connected party', or it just gets down to personal insults and badgering until people quit. We have lost so many good players this way, ones that would fight daily for the UK but who are now inactive/in another country/e-dead.
If we want a strong country that is safe from PTO's we need to have 5 healthy and vibrant parties. Who they ultimately are and how they function is irrelevant, so long as they are working together for a stronger UK. The past week in the Workers Rights Party has been a blast. Meeting players from all parties has been a stark reminder that there is simply one UK, and many lovely and fantastic players. If we can have that all of the time, life here would certainly be a lot more enjoyable!
angry roz is better than hopeful roz
see PTO bring you together , I was thinking about that today 🙂
"life here would certainly be a lot more enjoyable! ", do you mean Kevin the goat ?
Dapper has 3 Q7s you say?
its like having 21 q1 or 7 q3...
Who knew?
moralfagging
better than bawwiiingggg articles. :3
It is bawwing too.
worse, not a single photo of kevin, the real political asset (AND ASSERT) of ESO
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DAPPERING
Good article but BUYING NEW PLAYERS WITH GUNS just not true at New Era's height we had over 200 members I have only supplied 30 at most, I kepted my same supply and never raised it to compete with others, people joined New Era as we were trying different ideas, we stand up against the government and their lack of helping the every day player, many times it's taken a New Era article to make the government take note of our points, our main goal is helping players, it's a shame we have to point out faults and failings.
People react to actions, the common saying is "if you keep on hitting a dog with a stick one time it will bit back" My main problem is TUP member , how they act towards others not in TUP, how they think their party has the right to rule, how they bully and attack others, I can pull out loads of articles at the start of New Era where you can see people starting trouble, and I will go back to where Iain Keers wanted to PTO New Era after a few weeks, that was proof that the UK was under a iron grip of Iain Keers and his blind sighted followers.
I have watched other sides get into government for a month only for TUP to bully smear and snipe them in the media,these players just stop playing which is a waste as these are hard working players.
The only change will come if certain members give up their power in government, some people take criticism against the government very personal and real life politicians would loose their job if they carried on in that way and would never be allowed back in government again.
3 q7 Man
even if you tell the truth and have raw data, you've been gokufied for ever. I won't gokufy myself ever.
I supplied very few per week also with guns.
The problem you have Dapper, is that you get so caught up in your anti-TUP crusade you end up alienate other people who are by no means pro-TUP but just aren't as obsessed as you and NE are.
It's up to the other parties to be better than TUP, only then will their dominance be broken.
What do you mean you only supplied 30 at most? Last week you were saying you supply every person in the British Army. Ohhhhhh, you're changing your story to fit with the situation...gotcha.
Also, I do happen to agree that TUP make this game dull as shit.
find that quote please , 'you supply every person in the British Army' some don't want r need supplies so I know I never said that , I think you are mis quoting me or saying things to try and make me out like I change my words. stop it its dull.
Plenty of times New Era have used incentives to make the party more attractive, you can't deny that dapper.
You are by no means the first and certainly won't be the last party to use the method.
Surely though bribery is a part of politics
FFF! free f frogs
About time for all of us who are involved to put down the warhammers and start figuring out how to work together. The eUK has not thrived because of the internecine battling, and it won't thrive until we stop flinging insults and accusations. Just look how badly we're doing in the current contest. Countries which shouldn't even register on the map are ahead of us! That tells me we are not serving our people and therefore they are not serving the eUK.
Yes, I'm in TUP - joined it yonks ago. Doesn't mean I won't work hand in hand with those from every other party who esteem our ecountry over our epolitical groups! Yes, I'm standing for Congress. No, I'm not a politician. What you see is what you get. I'll rabble rouse when it needs doing but my main aim is to help the eUK grow into the foremost empire on eRep.
As long as we have dull TUP cps in power the only thing keeping this country alive is the fighting as nothing else keeps it interesting.
This is why, in my opinion, we need to elect someone with a bit of fucking charisma for once (Wook again please; the UK has also missed out on Horice and Chaz before which is criminal). Who cares about their knowledge on foreign affairs? That's what a MoFA is for. Military tactics? MoD.
We need someone who makes players want to keep playing and trust me when I say this is not someone who treats this game as seriously as they do their 9 to 5.
This is rubbish.
It's an article slating other parties for slating other parties. You're basically just doing exactly what you're accusing others of, although under the pretence of being superior. Moralfagging at it's worst.
This kind of article/comment is all too common and just perpetuates the situation. Rather than bringing the country together it just adds other parties to the bawwwing and divides further.
And I totally disagree about TUP not representing people who aren't members. That's just unsubstantiated rhetoric. We're fully aware that you can't run a country with a single party and that we need every talented/hard working person we can get working/fighting for the country and we need to do what is right for the country in general. What party has done more for the country or represented people better?
Also, a bit of rivalry is good for the country. It keeps people active and interested and gets people involved. Sometimes it can get a bit heated but that is usually when someone/some party does something really controversial. It's good that people still care.
Not "other parties". I think i was specific enough. Attacking, or stating what actually happened? Where did I say anything which didn't happen, where did I attack?
tl;dr - Jamesw has nothing better to do but moralfag :3
On another note, TUP uber alles.
On another, another note, I think most people are aware that no party is truly bad and so we work across parties in government. It is parties choosing to step away from the government and act against the best interests of the country that are the problem. Even when UKPP had power, TUP still worked with them and didn't, for example, skip to Ireland or Canada to attack the UK. Sure, we might have verbally opposed or even chosen not to join government, but thats not the same as blatant disregard of orders in military terms and trying to destroy the UK.
What is going to happen now is that you have posted something which is not true to make TUP look better than everyone else (About 4 TUP players attacked the foreign affairs of the UKPP government to manufacture a crisis on christmas day to bring down the government).
Then by pointing out that part of your post isn't true and saying that you hit first, I am reinforcing the anti TUP side of the debate - restarting the cycle.
I don't know what the solution is to this. I don't think I am going to be able to stop posting things like this to expose untruths in the media. What should I have done?
The past is definitely not what you said. There are people who will jever apply under a TUP president,and people who will never apply under an NE/etc president.
Not sure how that applies to what I said?
Hi \o/
How's it going. Just here to watch everyone argue about the same things they always do.
Jamesw fell asleep on duty and now he's a womble, so I guess he has plenty of time to throw rocks from the sidelines.
Definitely nothing to do with anything other than me not running. N W G was clear by 12 votes at 23:00 erep on the 14th, but yeah, definitely my bad.