[On Responsibility and Honor] An Open Letter To Germany
Elros Elrond
On behalf of my personal opinion, I would like to address some Issue to the Government of Germany.
We truly understand and respect your freedom to choose the path you deem the best for your future. If there are any enmity and hostility between PEACE and your government, as cited as one of your reasons for choosing the other side, we respect that freedom and know that we will fight to the death to defend that freedom of speech.
However, as with choices, no matter how free they are, comes responsibility.
The responsibility to be just, humane, and fair.
Therefore, I lay my case so the kind and benevolent German people as we used to know and helped, so Germany could set aside differences and become once again a dignified nation.
We only asked for you to remember your debt and responsibility to our nation and PEACE.
Mind you that this is not a threat or blackmail. It simply is the sanest and most responsible way to start clean and proper as a great nation we all believed you to be both in RL and here.
To restore your dignity which is undermined by your latest choice.
Several months ago,
You are once a conquered nation by Sweden, and through a concerted effort by PEACE, we managed to get your freedom.
You can see our efforts here which spent so much gold and resources, time and planning, so you can enjoy the comfort of independence and choice you now so lavishly exercise.
In this battle
battle
battle
battle
battle
battle
And what really made us hurt was that our gesture of goodwill by providing you with the Hospital in your capita Schleswig-Holstein.
If you may remember and honestly ask your president, it was not a gift from us. But something your nation must one day reimburse to us in its proper value.
After so much sacrifice of time, gold, and blood; all the good relationships and things that we've done to the people of Germany, we are demanding that you honor the choice you made by giving back to what you've owed us.
That way we can regard Germany as a great country. And I know people of Germany as very dignified people, able to see what's just and unjust, what's morale and immorale.
This is not a matter of alliance anymore. It is a matter of responsibility as a nation.
I wish that you would contact our government to honor your choice fully.
I do hope you can be a glorious and dignified country,
Honor and dignity,
Wander Howard
Comments
Thank you for listening, people of Germany.
what nation?
While your words are much more dignified and less threatening than those that I have read in the past week, it all boils down to the same thing. "We did this for you, so now you do this for us," which, in all honesty, can easily be interpreted as some sort of black mail or threat.
Is it any wonder with this sense of entitlement that some people might wish to distance themselves from your organization and alliance?
I am not German. Both in real life, and in the new world, I am American. I support ATLANTIS only because it is not PEACE. But when I read your article, and all the others that are much more dire and threatening, I can't help but feel PEACE's assistance to Germany during the time their country was occupied by Sweden wasn't motivated by some desire to see Germany as a free country, but that your assistance was given with the idea you would be repaid later.
Were I come from, doing a someone a favor so that you can get a favor from them later defeats the purpose of the original favor.
All countries should be sovereign. ALL OF THEM. No country should be beholden unto other countries. NONE OF THEM. Not for ATLANTIS, and sure as hell not for PEACE.
The way things are, it still boils down (as you say) to the meaning that should you want to break from us, pay your debts first.
It is not a matter of alliance. It's responsibility.
Suppose I am helped by A and indebted to them, then I found new friends and wanted to break away from A.
It doesn't erase the fact that I still owed A. I must pay them regardless of my feelings to him.
That's dignity. That's respect.
Nobody can refute this, except if they want to escape from their responsibility
I could agree with your assertions, if PEACE forces were not leading a faux-resistance in Austria and invading Austria from Hungary at this very moment.
You want dignity from those you have had dealings with? I understand and agree with you. But if you are to hold others to such standards, you must be held to them as well. This argument would have been much more well received before the current conflict started.
Then let's deal again from the start.
The way things are emotions got involved in this and spurred reactions.
So plz, govs involved, convene and discuss this. I hate seeing the way things are headed.
And I'm sure you do as well.
@Epic Thoughts: Quote: I can't help but feel PEACE's assistance to Germany during the time their country was occupied by Sweden wasn't motivated by some desire to see Germany as a free country, but that your assistance was given with the idea you would be repaid later.
Well well well looks like you have poison tongue 😉 We did help eGermany to see them as a free country, we not forced them to join PEACE, they could stay neutral. Then they contacted our Government that they need Q5 Hospital because they have a potential threat from Sweden even they lack of Golds. We agreed to get them Hospital ASAP (using our stock) to be paid later. Months after months away, no single payment we received, and we still patience that eGermany will pay us, until suddenly they joined ATLANTIS.
Bah, now you tell me, is it normal that I am upset? Like this article said, eGermany free to join any alliance, but using our unpaid hospital to fight us??? Its shame dude, pay it first then eGermany can use it freely and they are free to join any alliance too...
That simple...
Yeah I agree we owe you still and we should pay you what we owe you but PEACE could have achieved things democratically through contract rather than attacking us. Also because PEACE attacked rather than do things through diplomatic channels it leads me to believe that us not repaying you for what you did has almost nothing to do with anything or it is a very minuscule part of things.
so much Indonesian hardworkers in the project,
so much days of work to make one,
so much gold to make it to the best quality,
this is not about alliance, it is about your responsibility
its about honour
I bet that is all it is about. Sarcasm if you couldn't tell.
@semarangindah
maybe they dont care about honor, its simply a game and only nothing for them... Hope not all Germany has the same thinking.
@Isy
You still have your gold debt to me (indonesian gov). We never push you to pay it because we support you from beginning. I think its now your turn to pay your debt just like you promissed to me and to Dio.
@ Epic Thoughts,
hmm..seems like post WW II, when Germany pay to USA rite? 🙂
That is not the issue here(I thik that both sides have their hands dirty with "gold powder"), the main point is that as a NATION there was some commitment made by the government in office back in the day. If now, just because you or someone, does not agree personnally with the decision made, you as a NATION breaks the agreement, I don't see that as a polite gesture...
That is the point.
"Also because PEACE attacked rather than do things through diplomatic channels"
Yes, we attacked first, for sure your leaders did not receive any MP that they did not answered, suuuure.
Hope not all Germany has the same thinking.
off all the contries in eworld.. eGermany you struck our heart beyond comparison..
Germany oh Germany...
Tun. Leiden. Lernen.
"So plz, govs involved, convene and discuss this. I hate seeing the way things are headed."
I wholeheartedly agree with that sentence!
Elros Elrond
I embrace your idea of a sane and peaceful dialogue, however also please keep in mind, that eGermany DID try to remain neutral desperately. This was to be achieved my MPPing both ATLANTIS and PEACE nations, because neutrality in this case still meant that we need some kind of insurance of our national safety.
Unfortunately Italy turned down such MPP to my knowledge (please correct me if thats wrong).
To make things worse, government officials started pointing out that a decision had to be made ASAP, because people like Gladdos and other high ranking PEACE officials were apparantly getting impatient about eGermany's neutrality and in fact set an ultimatum to "join or else..".
This is what triggered eGermany's decision to join Atlantis.
Without the pressure, and with the honest committment to allow a neutral eGermany by PEACE, eGermany wouldn't be Atlantis today.
n3m0
Regarding your loan for the hospital: I am one of the candidates in the upcoming presidential elections and I requested a report from the current president of the german federal reserve regarding eGermany's outstandindings.
Your loan was included in this report, so the eGerman government has not "forgotten" about it.
PEACE could have achieved things democratically through contract rather than attacking us. I wonder if you know the plans of your leaders for the next month regarding austria.
if not, ask them 🙂
To make things worse, government officials started pointing out that a decision had to be made ASAP, because people like Gladdos and other high ranking PEACE officials were apparantly getting impatient about eGermany's neutrality and in fact set an ultimatum to "join or else..".
This is what triggered eGermany's decision to join Atlantis. incorrect from the beginning.
we asked you to take tyrol as soon as you can, and then when you were joining openly the alliance, since you guys asked us to vote for your admittance since JANUARY!
did you see the image that Arthk showed you many times?
or you see only what you want to see as usual?
for us was fine you guys would stay neutral. this is the only reason we didn't do anything to avoid the merge between austria and germany.
but honestly, you cannot ask peace countries to watch a country that merge with one of the founder countries of PEACE alliance and take with them in the enemy alliance.
the reason that triggered you in choosing atlantis was because if you would entered the peace alliance sweden would have attack you in SH.
you have just chosen to keep german regions safe instead than austrian region.
the rest of your articles is just propaganda and german brainwashing. impatient about eGermany's neutrality and in fact set an ultimatum to "join or else..". could you show me this pm please? or this is one of the tons of lies Isy is telling everybody?
wipe eGermany from eWorld map...!!
didnt you sign a contract?
Starkad Rorlikson:
"To make things worse, government officials started pointing out that a decision had to be made ASAP, because people like Gladdos and other high ranking PEACE officials were apparantly getting impatient about eGermany's neutrality and in fact set an ultimatum to "join or else.."."
I didn't read anything like this, it's you who are talking about it again and again.
So you could choose neutrality, and you weren't attacked by anyone. You chose to join Atlantis, that's why Italians attacked you, not because you didn't join PEACE. And if you have stayed neutral, you would have the chance to join Atlantis after PEACE would have attached you, but of course that's not right, for PEACE it made no sense to attack a neutral country without any high resources, except for grain.
I don't know why don't you admit, that your joining to Atlantis was decided long before.
Epic says: All countries should be sovereign. ALL OF THEM. No country should be beholden unto other countries. NONE OF THEM. Not for ATLANTIS, and sure as hell not for PEACE.
Please ask to Romanian government, Spain government, Croatian government and also American government something about Take Over.
Ask them what really happens in Russia a couple of months ago.
Then shout up.
thanks.
FAILMany.
@Phortoz; I'm not sure what you're trying to say to me.
PEACE does have a valid argument in regards to the repayment for a 15 hospital. Absolutely. But, this post should have been made weeks ago, prior to the faux-Italian lead resistance and Hungarian aggression occurring now.
What was a valid argument then will most likely end up with PEACE not seeing a dime of what they're owed. And the only people to blame for that are the people who lead the faux-resistance in Austria and the Hungarians.
@Hektor29; Please do not assume to know who I am from a few lines of post. Please do not assume that I am uneducated, when my post, that quoted, degrades both parties. Also, please do not tell me to shut up.
ATLANTIS has as many mistakes as PEACE does. All those nations, the ones you cited, and the ones you convinently left off your list; South Africa, India, and Australia, should also have all their original territory returned to them. Territory which is held by PEACE nations.
So please, good sir, be more careful with what you write. Prior to your post, this entire article was full of valid and intelligent content. You seemed to have derailed that.
@Epic.
I don't think to misunderstood anything. I only ask you to see what REALLY happens on erep world. When you say that all country has the same right to exist, probably you are not informed what romania and others atlantis country try to do everytime a new country born.
Germany wants to stay with Atlantis? Perfect, but let Austria to stay with Peace, cause is one of the founding members of it.
What was a valid argument then will most likely end up with PEACE not seeing a dime of what they're owed. And the only people to blame for that are the people who lead the faux-resistance in Austria and the Hungarian So Germany,
after having lost its reliability joining Atlanti
after losing a war and Austria
will now lose the last dust of dignity not paying its hospital?
so many new information, so this articel must be international news,,
vote for the right information,,
for german, return all the cost to free your region from sweden,, !!!
@Hektor; When I openly and fairly criticize both treaty organization, when I call for ALL countries in bondage to be freed, I think it would be safe to assume I've gone to the length of educating myself.
@Bisiacco; Do not take my words to have any sort of authority or officialness to them. I have no hand, nor any plans, in Germany politics or how they manage their country.
it is not very dignified to constantly hector someone to repay a debt
@444444444444: really?
😃
@Epic Thoughts:
so you are saying that if you negotiate with someone about his/her dept in an aggressive, non diplomatic manner, you are the only one to blame if (s)he doesn't pay? Your request only valid until you act aggressively?
One wrong justifies another?
I don't want to hect... But we need to make sure enmities settled.
I don't want any excuses as who attacks who or who does what.
I just wish for something done to sort this mess. Or maybe the next presidente will do.
I just hope my goodwill in writing this article is not misconstrued. But aside of that, the debts are real and it needed all the talks we could to solve that problem.
I hope when deal comes, there's no mention of any alliances. pure germany and those involved in this deed.
I am all for paying back what we owe PEACE, as long as it isen't switching alliances.
@EPIC
Free region occupied by PEACE?? PEACE already freed some of it...
Indonesia does
what about Region occupied by ATLANTIS? have they freed any?
Bah atlantis Full of propaganda
Doesnt matter what you guys *did* matters that you threatened to invade germany several times. Germany is NOT argentina, they will not just give up and join peace to hide away from you guys.
lol vaclav!
you threatened to invade germany several times. where? link please 🙂
"Germany is NOT argentina, they will not just give up and join peace to hide away from you guys."
wat? O.o
vaclav, please, first finish to watch your favorite cartoons at the the TV, then write something.
maybe in that way we can read something that makes sense 🙂
@Primzo Jeno; Please do not put words into my mouth. My statements are clear; PEACE had a valid argument with demanding repayment of said loan. Their argument now has less validity. Yes. You want to convince Germany that all PEACE desires is a repayment of their gold? Pull back your troops. That will go much further towards your cause then advancing them.
@Daizengar; And they have ignored other regions they still occupy. Point the finger at those who are responsible; both PEACE and ATLANTIS.
If you don't read the entire article, and all the comments, then please do not respond. It looks to me that you've only read parts of my responses; I've criticized both PEACE and ATLANTIS.
This is my last post in this article. Elros, you've wrote a very civil and logical argument. It's too bad you're not the SG of PEACE. To those who have presented valid points; thank you for discussing this topic with me. But, as it is now, the trolls (from BOTH sides of the argument) are beginning to filter in, and I won't waste my time them.
Goodbye!
interesting points.. let's see how many gold wanna get PEACE for the hospital.. I guess not a nice price, and that, after having the balls going and occupying AGU regions.
That's cheap moral doctrine. oh yes.
http://www.erepublik.com/en/company/grain-high-q2-3licente-50g-179784
@Epic Thoughts: no, I wasn't trying to convince anybody about that.
My point is that the whole Burgerland issue is kinda similar to this.
The contract about Burgerland is invalid, but it doesn't change the fact, that the region belongs to eAustria. If the goal really was to get this region back, I don't understand why they chose the arrogant, demanding, and accusing diplomacy 'method'. Which politician can give in to demands like that and keep her/his face in front of her/his people?
I was on the 'give that damn region back, already' opinion, than took a trip to the eGerman press, and saw the mass hysteria Chicco was generating...
"My statements are clear; PEACE had a valid argument with demanding repayment of said loan. Their argument now has less validity."
vs
"And the only people to blame for that are the people who lead the faux-resistance in Austria and the Hungarians."
I know that you are talking about the RWs in the second citation,
but if the first citation is valid, than no way to blame everything on us, since there were many actions on the AGU side helping the situation to develop this far.
Starkad, we were a PEACE nation by proxy; we never had any MPPs with ATLANTIS.
Anyone that says we were neutral must be kidding or uninformed- we have had a close and strong tie to PEACE since the January Revolution and frankly I don't understand why we pretended to be neutral for so long. According to Isy it's because there were secret deals made between Germany and Romania, but I can't say if that's valid or not.
I can just say that even if there never would have been pressure from PEACE they did not react like they would prefer a neutral Germany. We saw several articles about that topic and no comment from the PEACE GC or anyone else like: "Hey Germany stay cool and remain neutral". No you just put pressure on us.
@Justin
We were neutral, even with strong ties to PEACE nation what I believes still exists. Of course we have helped in some PEACE proxy wars but we never had any voice at PEACE so we were no PEACE nation by proxy as we are no ATLANTIS nation at the moment in my eyes.
We all know about the hospital and the help from PEACE and they have to accept sooner or later that it was their own fault triggering Germany into ATLANTIS.
And by the way it wasn't a long term planed idea as I know. It was a one men decision/plan by Isy.
Sebl
I, being an Austro-German citizen, was surprised and a little confused when we joined ATLANTIS, but it was simply a measure taken because PEACE is currently supporting Hungary in their invasion of our country. To many Austro-Germans, it was PEACE who betrayed us, not the other way around.
@starkad
its not about that hospital... you can talk about this with Isy.
About hospital, just talk about it with government since i am no longer part of it.
About the efforts we did to free your country, I dont think we want it to be paid back with anything. If your reason is true theere is a threat to your position from some of us (glados, etc), why you didnt tell about it to us? is it austrian attack? hungarian attack? or threat from some high ranks that made you betrayal us?
Well anyway, good luck with your play of role.
Don't mix the Hospital become eGermany debt to PEACE, its eGermany debt to eIndonesia when bolodewo was our president. This hospital installed after Operation Burning Spirit. Thats it!!!
The effort from PEACE to liberate eGermany, is eGermany business with entire PEACE...
you broke my heart Germany...