An Honest Evaluation - Peace
Dishmcds
Dear American Population,
I come to you tonight as an Ambassador of Mexico. Not to troll or flame, which tends to happen sometimes. Not to get upset or angry, but to try and offer you an honest opinion of what Mexico wants. We have spoken with your President, but talks seem to be at an impasse. Since he is unwilling to listen to reason, I ask that you listen and try to take everything into account before judging, as I think you'll find what is being offered quite fair.
Peace and Goodwill between the US and Mexico
For a long time, Mexico and the US were allies. Before you chose to RAWR at us, for no apparent reason (and without getting into arguments, I've heard three different ones, and RAWR was the best one), Mexico and US shared a long, friendly, peaceful history. We are not violent or mean people. We do not intend to harm the US. Without mincing words, you have done more harm to yourselves by starting this war than Mexico has ever done to any other country combined.
Here's what was discussed between Mexico and the US. I will state, that this is a discussion purely between the US and Mexico, and has nothing to do with our Portuguese Brothers, with whom Sam has his own dragons to slay.
Terms
1.The US is requesting that some form of War Game continue between Mexico and the US. However, he is trying to make it completely one-sided with no benefit to Mexico whatsoever. He intends to ask that you (US) keep a region, and use it to start a Resistance War in. Then, on April the 12th of this year, it goes back to Mexico.
How does that benefit Mexico at all? We'd have to send our troops to the US to fight. Why not, in the interest of building relationships, do as we had suggested, and give eMexico all it's regions back, and simply attack one at our choosing. That way, we get to benefit as well from the training, the US gets it's scheduled "RAWR", and we can move forward in our relationship. What benefit would it serve eMexico to simply allow the US soldiers to train themselves on our land without training our own? Do you think we want you trying to invade us again?
2.Mexico is asking for a hospital to replace the one you destroyed in the Central Highlands. We have asked for a Q5. We realise you destroyed a Q4, and there are ways to work around things like that. One thing Dhoo had suggested was perhaps if the US agrees to pay 80% of the cost of one, Mexico could contribute the other portion as a sign of goodwill. It is only fair to replace the only way to heal ourselves, considering it was the US that destroyed it in the first place.
3.And lastly, we asked that since it's due to the US that we have to return these lands, the US pays for the battles. Mexico, as you're well aware, was robbed by Polish Rogues. In fact, you used that as an excuse to invade us, in the name of helping. Call it a sign of good faith, that due to your error we ask that you pay for the battles. We're not hugely populated, so it's not like declaring on California.
I sincerely hope the American Public has more understanding than your President. We have tried to explain that we do not want a drawn out cold war, sitting on the American Border, or having to worry about the US attacking us any further. We wish to move on and finish this disaster, and hope that the American people do as well. We feel like these are actually fairly even demands, considering the situation we're all in. According to your own President, "the treasury will have tons of money in just over a week", which should tell you what kind of negotiations we've had to do as of now.
Here's hoping that the US and Mexico can once again establish solid communications, and a relationship that extends past whatever Alliance lines you want to draw.
We're not here to point fingers at who started it, we just want this war to be over, so we can fix our country.
Sincerely,
Dishmcds
Comandante Supremo de las Fuerzas Armadas de Mexico
Comments
pertamaxxx
Question: What if we just let you take the remaining Mexican regions and leave it at that? If you really think about it, that's the best way of doing things. No money spent for battle fees, no Q4/5 hospital, no ending the Portugal, Mexico, or French wars, which is great for the US when thinking in a long-term mindset because future "war games" are made possible.
So, I say screw the treaty. We've spent enough money on this war already.
Who said anything about ending France and Portugal? Thought I specifically said I represented Mexico?
Suppose it's cold war for the next six months then.
Btw, Portugal's killing you already.
The majority of Americans would like an end to the war between us. Our president is a stubborn patriot so there isn't much hope of him swallowing his pride and ending the conflict. We need our entire attention on Portugal.
If Portugal hits our main lands and kills us, I'll be scared. Until that point, color me as "I don't care, bro"
USA shouldn't pay reparations for this war. If you want us to pay reparations, I'd say screw it, no treaty -- we can end this when one country gets taken over. No way I'm paying tens of thousands of USD for a hospital for YOUR COUNTRY. Not my fault you couldn't defend it.
And the close minded come out to play.
I like the treaty, but a cold war will happen either way since Portugal is bound to get a border territory, and since you share many allies, if Portugal invades, it's pretty much the same as Mexico invading, just add one Indo.
Close minded? Because we differ in opinions we're close minded?
I hereby pronounce you close-minded. See how easy that is?
We have no reason to pay reparations. Until you CAN come and take OUR regions, we should not be afraid enough to pay reparations. We don't need to pay them to "look good" -- who are we going to please? Certainly not anyone in ATLANTIS or PEACE, they all have their minds made up. So, are we trying to please the 15% and look less imperialstic? Fat chance.
Not necessarily. portugal already had a border, so how is this any different? They have always been able to attack the US from the Azores, so their presence in mexico is absolutely no change from where it was a month ago.
And you're still forgetting that the US started both those wars (Portugal and France). It's not Mexico's responsibility nor area of required duty to negotiate on their behalf. In my discussions with Arthk, it was Sam who messed up the relationship with Portugal, so it should be Sam who mans up and settles that side of it. We can only negotiate what Mexico offers and what we feel mexico deserves.
@Harrison: Then I guess it's good for me, you're neither in Congress or any position to negotiate.
How about:
* Trade New Mexico for the Northwest. Both sides get a training ground.
* End the war.
* US pays fair market value of a Q4 hospital, for y'all to use to buy a Q5 from one of our hospital companies.
* US pays the cost of the attack on NM.
* Portugal starts the RW to return all Mexican territories to Mexico. US pays the cost.
@Carthage: Once again, I see nothing wrong with simply leaving the war open, and allowing you to attack the Northeast? Why does it have to be complicated. You take my rook and I have your bishop and this and that.
War open, you attack Northeast. You'll never beat us with 8 MPP's, so no fear of losing regions.
Otherwise the rest was laid out, and is already happening. Portugal is going to return the regions as soon as our country is out of the way of danger, and has no intention of keeping anything. They've supported, defended, and been there for us while the US, on the other hand, invaded us for the lulz.
Dish: Because the US is not going to want to start a training battle that benefits our adversaries more than it benefits us. It also triggers more MPPs.
The part about Portugal was more stating that we pay the cost of the RWs, which is fair given the circumstances.
I should note that it would be perfectly acceptable to just end the war status quo ante, without trading regions. While it would be nice for all sides to get a playground, it's obviously not worth avoiding peace over.
@Carthage: That was a monster the US created by invading Original regions. Noticed Mexico has not done so, and for good reason 🙂
Yup. 🙂
I would like to see mexico having Texas on its regions 😉 and nvo mexico also
And they say the House of Representatives is a civilised place.
It's no wonder your economy is in the crapper and your military tactics were less than functional. I certainly hope your fellow elected Representatives have enough sense to use better grammar and language.
Reported.
wow, just wow...
I understand what you're saying and I'm new to the politics of this game, but you are trying to play a hand you simply dont have. I think we can all agree this hasn't been worth it, that it was rash, and that some of us are annoyed at the president for it. But, we're here now. I think we should stop this war, but at a price that's fair. Like it or not, USA has the upperhand right now and you are in no place to play hardball. a 5Q hospital? I dont think so. How about we pay for a 3Q and you can pay the difference for whichever one you like.
As far as the war games go, I can see where you're coming from. No country would play if it's not beneficial. That being said, you have to realize we are giving up a place we won from you, so you are going to have to make some accommodations for it (ie. we wont be paying any war fees).
Sorry Mexico, but as it stands we have the advantage. You are in no position to try to strong arm anyone. I think we can end the war and come to a fair conclusion, but you have to accept your losses and take the pain that comes with them.
Um Deputy, the US cannot stop us from taking it back.
End of Story. Therefore, the US is hardly in a position to play hardball or truly "demand" anything. Portugal is beating you by 25K atm, and it's barely morning there. The last time the Mexico and Portugal had battles open, we had you by 40K in mexico and 150 in Portugal.
You have no advantage, and are backpeddling. Soon, you'll have no Mexican regions, and no incentive for us to bother closing the war at all. Your outnumbered, your economy is in a wreck, and your about to face the music.
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and Portugal is not "killing us"...the 8 versus 1 is lol
still the USA is loseing whether you know it or not.
We're going to lose these regions.. but we'd do that if we signed peace anyway. If we signed PEACE, we'd also have to pay more gold for Hospitals for you and battle costs.
So, why sign peace with you? Are you really naive enough to think you can take US soil? Sure, you can take us 8 v 1 and recapture lands, but when the MPP's kick in, you're screwed if you want to attack us.
Portugal cannot attack America without getting killed, stop your worrying
"I would like to see mexico having Texas..."
Never gonna happen.
The attitude shown in the American comments to this article is why I emigrated.
"I sincerely hope the American Public has more understanding than your President"
My condolences Dishmcds.
look, I know that a lot of you Americans feel strongly about not making peace with Mexico, but look at it from a objective point of view. You've basically lost most of your conquered territories, Uncle Sam faced a impeachment with half of Congress voting yes to it, your economy is going downhill, Indonesia is more than willing to join the war on the side of Portugal, the majority of people in the USA have little experience compared to PEACE, and a lot of people abroad are disgusted with your actions in invading Mexico.
You dont' have a leg to stand on. Make peace while you still can
Let's think about this the other way around.
What if eMexico decided to attack eUSA just like that, occupied Texas, New Mexico, Arizona and California and after the war (which they lost), eMexico still wanted to keep Texas to play war games. Would eAmericans be pleased and jolly and happy and singing Kumbaya because the war ended?
No, but your leadership feels it's okay to demand this in the current situation, and why's that? "Oh, because we're better than you hur hur hur".
You lost, deal with it and cut the imperialistic crap. Try actually thinking before you go into a war next time, too.
War is war. We can keep what we want. If you take it back from us, then fine, it's yours.. you WON it back. We're not going to GIVE you anything.
Step up to the table (like you have) and claim your belongings back.
Dish,
Given your overall antagonism towards the US in the past month or so, I'm sorry, but this cream puff missive just isn't that convincing.
As it gets down to cases, you're asking a lot, but you're not offering a lot. That doesn't seem to be a good methodology for negotiations. As it stands, the US can keep the status quo, at no cost, or shell out a significant amount of cash to get pretty much what we have already.
Given the uproar over the payments to Atlantis, what do you think the odds are that people are going to be enthralled about buying hospitals for our adversaries, and paying for the privilege of getting defeated on the battlefield? Seriously?
Frame a proposal that isn't a laundry list of why the US is so bad and wrong, and there might be a way to business. This proposal is worse than the Portugese by a long shot.
@doushie and others,
The US should make peace, but there's a big difference between agreeing to a peace treaty, and agreeing to a peace treaty, buying your opponent a hospital and giving them gold. There's no compelling interest for the US to agree to any of that. The US will retain no land in Mexico no matter what.
If you want a quid pro quo, maybe renting a territory indefinitely in exchange for a Q5 hospital might work. Maybe repayment of the costs of launching a war.
But if you want to negotiate, have something to offer.
If you think Mexico deserves all it's territory back then I suggest you speak to Portugal, who after tomorrow will be controlling parts of "your" country not us. After all, you said you represent Mexico's best interests.
Propaganda, propaganda, propaganda.
What can one say to this?
WARRRRRR
lol, but in all seriousness. Good luck getting that hospital. Thats a very odd Demand. Where do you expect the US to get such a hospital? Are they going to put in an order and just wait 3 weeks? lol
I know they could just give the money, but eh.
I think this bargaining thing (imho) is a lil ridiculous.
I dont see Mexico attacking US soil which means the worst that can happen is that we go back to original territories, and on top of that when Mexico takes back all their regions they will get 1/50th of our treasury each time giving them a nice sum of money.
Just my 2 cents as I am not in the US government and speak only as a native citizen and as a business man.
"Given the uproar over the payments to Atlantis, what do you think the odds are that people are going to be enthralled about buying hospitals for our adversaries, and paying for the privilege of getting defeated on the battlefield? Seriously?"
This says it all. You want to pay us for the "privilege" of having peace with Mexico? What do we gain out of this? If you want to end the war, offer us something realistic.
You have no capability to attack us, and your power extends as far as your MPPs do, and no further. Your regions hold little value to us(or you), other than for military practice. You know it, we know it.
So either come back with a serious offer, or kowtow to PEACE and beg them for a Q5 hospital since they care so much about *you*. Right??
PS- Here's the #1 tip for negotiations: Have something to bargain with. You don't come to a bargaining table empty-handed making demands.
I wonder why eMericans ever bothered to make up those stupid excuses to attack eMexico 😃😃
The summary of the comments: 'hey we are strong we have nothing to fear f@ck off'
Why did you worry about your image before? 🙂
Honesty suits you much better
hmm Dish, a lot of the American people are giving you the same argument that I did in our little conversation.
does this mean that the rest of the nation is "unwilling to listen to reason"
Uncle Sam,
Get us out of the war! We want to rebuild our economy and live in peace with our neighbours!
Peace
Free Mexico from the Portuguese imperialists!
@Kerat - No we don't.
@Dish - Even a level 7 noob like me can see how much propaganda and crap this is. I don't know all the backstory, but it's fairly appearant to me that you got your panties in a wad at some point while here, and moved to eUK. Then saw an oppertunity to stick it to us and moved to eMexico when the war started. You are not liked or trusted by anyone in ATLANTIS, and I don't see how you could be by PEACE either, considering the offices you've held.
If you actually give half a crap about peace between eMex and eUS, the smartest thing you could do personally would be to back as far away from the negotiations as possible and be very quiet. Your mere presence puts our hackles up, and causes people to dig in. Have someone who's actually been in eMex for a long time conduct the negotiations and things will probably go better.
That said, getting both of those demands? LOL. Good luck with that. Assuming Sam gets his war games, I might could see paying for the other battles. Paying for a hospital might also be an option (although not Q4). But not both. It just isn't going to happen.
I have read far too much venom and hatred in your numerous posts over the past few weeks to believe that anything you have to say is honest, or that any goals you claim to have are peaceful.
too bad the US operates on a strict screw Dishmcds policy
Portugal wont return your contries. You poor eMexicans have yet again been duped and had the wool pulled over your eyes.
"When your not in danger"... thats pretty open ended. It could be a week, it could be years from now the day before the game goes offline... Hell, Mexico is always "in danger" as long as the US is there and Canada and our MPP nations who will gladly help vanquish any PEACE invasion to end mexico's "danger".
Enjoy having eDictatorships in most of your new Mexican nation
I dont know much about this war but from what ive heard from all sides im against it
but i have to agree with kyle, president of the eUS and the eUK now a proud card carrying anti american memeber of PEACE...sounds logical enough
btw, reported, Really??
nope i say let us keep one region or we take one region back to play res. wars i jsut got 40 health again and want to fight but as soon as i got it all the regions were taken lol