RoHu and geopolitics games
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Tigran the Great
Geopolitics games are like the Hunger Games - everyone wants to be a survivor. And the battle is just as hard and wrong.
You all know what's going on nowadays. Hungary was thinking about rejoining Asteria. In consequence, they started acting upon it, doing some PR for this move in their country and courting all Asteria members. Except Romania.
Now, that's hardly a surprise given the past relations between these 2 nations. Their interest is not to become friends with Romania, but to secure good relations with Serbia, Argentina and Brazil. Which begs the question: DID THEY REALLY WANT TO REJOIN ASTERIA?
Let's think about it. Why would they want to rejoin? Their official statement implies that "since they were among the founding nations of Asteria, their government thought to give a rejoining effort a try. Such a move would have increased the organization and firepower of the alliance, while also providing Hungary with a more definite framework and less ambiguity about their status. In short, a win-win scenario from both sides".
Here is what you need to understand about Hungary and every other country out there: the first rule of a nation is to follow your own interests.
"thought to give a rejoining effort a try".. come on, who are you kidding here? If you really wanted to be part of Asteria, you wouldn't have left in the first place. Your ego's got in the way of your strategy so you packed your bags and left. Well good for you. But making sound like "we don't really need you, but for a better future we agree to play with you" is a pathetic way of saying "we need new alliances". Of course, it's politics.. God forbid ever telling the truth.. it would be the death of the nation that does.
"less ambiguity about our status" - really? Once in Asteria, all is well between everyone? I sincerely doubt that. The past week has proved it. Hungary and Romania have both trust issues and a considerable amount of past conflicts. One could say another is inevitable, whilst trying to change this situation is a childish, funny dream.
If we take a look at the official statements from both countries regarding the events from this past month we will see a Hungary that knows how to make some good PR and a Romania that knows how to be a member of Asteria.
They both succeeded in their objectives:
1. Hungary reconfirmed Serbia as ally and gained a few new friends.
2. Romania proved that Hungary has issues and is simply a bad investment.
Pro Asteria status is enough and really all what Hungary wants. Their second objective was to discredit Romania's image, probably in hope of looking like a better ally.
They say they set up the CO in a Romanian battle, as promised. It was set when it no longer was needed and only for props. Then they say Romania didn't return the favour, although they promised they would. Everyone who really followed the events in South America knows that Hungary had by far the easiest battles there, Chile not even trying to put up a fight. We don't practice dumping guys.. we don't set CO's just for kicks, unless of course zmeuNY wants some more money in his account.
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They continue with the fact that Romania "threatened them with veto". I literally have no idea what goes on between the people in charge, however I doubt there were actual threats. All I can say is this: explaining your options to a person isn't threatening, unless that person makes it look like it is.
Then they say Romania kept adding clauses which made their rejoin impossible because a new government came along. Well, excuse me.. but how is that relevant? New gov comes, so you guys are in turmoil? All of a sudden you can't rejoin? That's some pretty nasty instability you have there my friends, get that checked out. And also, the clause which Romania imposed was the most basic rule of the alliance. Not accepting it basically means that you have no true interest in rejoining.
But this is where it gets funny - "the long term goal will be signing an MPP a few months after joining". That's like saying "we have issues, let's work them out as slowly as possible, while we share the same alliance".
But the end of their statement is the best: "This was likely the last attempt in a substantial amount of time that we tried to join Asteria as a whole. Governments come and go, but the people supporting them don’t change, and they have got an answer that gets rid of the ambiguity present in our community over the past year."
Seems to me like Hungary got exactly what they wanted. This condescending attitude of theirs only proves one thing: they made the correct decision in the past, when they left. And all the events of this past month were nothing more than games, meant to stop the national boredom that overcame them.
GG Hungary. I've enjoyed this very much. Now go back and hibernate, the big boys have stuff to do.
Al vostru,
Tigran
Comments
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Pretty one sided.
1 You know a gesture is still a gesture (even if not needed). In D2 and D3 it turned the wall. Maybe it would have been turned anyway, who knows.
2 If your gov agreed to set the MPP as long time goal - even it does not make sense -, it might be a gentlemanlike to hold that promise 😉. (I have to add, I didn't read the log yet, so feel free to link it.)
3 The gov of Romania could have just said, that they won't let Hungary in Asteria. We don't need to waste our time woth procastination, and flattering. They know exactly, that we will try to join. They all of sudden they had to wait till the end of the campaign, then they realised 8 minutes before the meeting, that they "forgot" to talk to the MUs. Asked a day. They got it. (I hope you can see too, where is this going - yes, I won a bet. 🙂 ) Then they announced, that they need the MPP (see point 2)
4 I hope you know, that gov😕😛pl, and gov1😕=gov2. I think it was a bad call from the gov of 2014 march, that they decided to leave the alliance. There was some internal issues, so they could convince the congress too. But it's just not right to assume (BC of that), that Hungary doesn't want to be part of Asteria.
I hope this log clears a bit from all I wrote, and looking forward to see the log of the meeting from 29.
http://www.erepublik.com/en/article/-apollonileaks-exclusive-plans-for-asteria-orion-2522114/1/20
1. A requested gesture is a false gesture. You know this as well as I do. You didn't set the CO out of the goodness of your heart, you set it because it was something that popped up during a meeting. You were smart/lucky enough to set it when 2 walls were against Romania so now you can brag about "how the CO turned the tables". As you said "maybe it would have been turned anyway". I think it would have.
2. As I've said idk what went on between the leaders of our countries. I just call it as I see it. I saw an initial agreement and then I saw a change of heart, based on Asteria regulation. Is that a crime?
3. This is politics no one speaks his/her mind. Never the less, I don't believe Romania wanted to veto from day 1. As I've said in the article, there are trust issues between our two countries, it's only natural to be skeptical and ask for this and that before saying yes (it's also natural even if there are no trust issues, therefore I'm sure u can understand this delicate situation).
4. I'm fully aware of that, however this is a major decision. We've had gov 1 ,2,3,4,5,6 that literally hated each other. But the major decisions remained and Romania has always been a true member of Asteria, no matter what happened internally. Surely u can't possibly think people are naive enough to believe that a change of gov can equal to the rise and fall of an alliance. I mean seriously, that's baby talk. You know better.
1. A gesture is a way to show, that we are able to cooperate. You know, it's still more, than your gov did, altough they promised it...
2. Hmm, so you don't have any infos, just collected some news, and made up some "facts". Well done. 😉 Btw, i guess you didn't read the Asteria regulations, since there is no say about the MPP between aech other 😉 (Just to give some facts, please feel free to rea😛 https://docs.google.com/document/d/1dz7QK-GynKFr8Zu7WSFnof28-LFbVvBHu9mbm13r9YM/edit) Yes, you can edit your article 😉
3. Well, I believe. You know, ppl who have been caught lying, are liars, not politicians.
4. You know, a lot of ppl are (and were always) antiAsteria in Hungary. Some ppl are not good as leaders, tried to solve problems with causing more.
I don't know, where you get that rising and falling the alliance, but as far as I understand, you try to insult instead of arguing. Hmm, mature.
So I suggest you to read the two sources I linked you, and correct some deep mistakes in your article...
Let's agree to disagree.. 🙂
Okay, but I hope you can understand the facts provided by the "other side" 😉
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sybillak loves romanians and serbs.
Tt hates Hungary, wants it to be wiped by romania 🙁
sybillak loves jews and hate God.
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And proud of his (at least) 2 BHs on romanian side.
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Wait, we don't care about the facts, right? I mean we just have proof of my statements, so that made me think...
YELLOW IN BUDAPEST!!
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Yellow in the whole Word!
Wait, it's not racist, right?
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Nice.
Bravos, Tigran! este aceeasi situatie si in RL! vor/sunt in UE, dar saboteaza principiile UE la greu! damn, it`s very similar!!!!
Stop writing hungarophobe articles!4
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stop reading them
You are hungarophobe, this is why you try tell me what to do!
you don t know me
he try tell you what to do?!
"Stop writing hungarophobe articles" - and you do what?! so... stop telling us what to do!
The article and the general attitude of Azurefalcon is an insult to us. So, we are entitled to do whatever we want. And we'll do!
It may be one sided from time to time, but it's not hungarophobe. I even called u "friends". 🙂
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vineee... 😁)
E pe drum 🙂
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good article, we all have to talk with true heart and say what is the best for all of us, and rebuild what is necessary to make us stronger as nations and as alliances.
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Nice article! 🙂
If building something without a proper foundation is the main purpose here then why build it ?
I agree but I didn't actually say that. What I said was that "officially" people talk about proper foundation while "unofficially" they follow their own interests. That doesn't necessarily mean "evil purpose". It just means that first you think about what you have to gain from this and then you decide if the benefits are better than the losses (no deal is perfect only win-win).
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Hungar games!
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Hungarian diplomacy hung himself again.
oh tempora... where are you, Ernst ... to show that kid how politics looks like
ezektől a kiszólásaidtól az ember elhányja magát
Nehez szembe nezni az igazsaggal? En attol hanyok ahogy a magyar kulugy sorozatosan elmegy pofonert a romanokhoz es hulyet csinal az orszagbol.
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Yeah we hate each other.
I agree with you. So let's stop pretending otherwise.
VETO for Hungary joining Asteria!
We will join Asteria and work together with you mates! Serbia wants, and Romania will agree. LoL
Serbia who?! Your puppet "emperor"?! I don't give a damn about what Serbia wants in this matter.
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I'd like to be friend with some hungarian girl! After they know me well, it's obvious, they kill themselves cause never knew some guys in father land like in Romania! 🙂
Thailand
Un share sa ii ajutam pe cei mici!
http://www.erepublik.com/ro/article/crucea-ro-ie-important--2522489/1/20#comments
This is actually the best manipulation of points I have seen in quite some time in recent times. Go see the SS apollon posted. Its a pity I dont have enough time to write such long paragraphs.