The New Era of eUS Politics - Part 2
wingfield
Real life is NOT eRepublik and there are limits to what we can transfer from RL to the game or what players will accept. I will frame this discussion of rights in the context of the US Bill of Rights, especially the First Amendment to the US Constitution, for the purposes of example only.
1. In the RL USA there can be no law establishing a religion, impeding the free exercise of religion, abridging the freedom of speech, the freedom of the press, interfering with the right of peaceful assembly or prohibiting petition for government redress of grievances.
These are all pretty much guaranteed by Plato, within the limits of eRepublik’s own restrictions on what may be published or included in comments and shouts. We are all entitled to join the party of our choice, even though little is done to protect us from PTO of such parties. There is nothing to stop us petitioning for redress of grievances, if we actually had a government.
It is wrong to interfere with our right to peaceful assembly by means of taking over our political parties or even those of people we may not like.
2. We have the right to keep and bear arms.
This is a factor of game mechanics, as provided for by Plato.
3. The remaining articles of the Bill of Rights are not eRepublik concepts.
“National security” can never be a justification for the abridgement of political rights.
So, in First Amendment equivalent terms, chasing an undesirable citizen from party to party is totally wrong. Worse, it interferes with the rights to peaceful association of other citizens ordered to leave their own parties and instead provide the votes to interfere with the political rights of the offending citizen.
What sort of party life can any citizen have when he or she is deprived of the right to stand for office in his or her own party or to exercise a totally free choice in the selection of the party president? Requiring citizens to move parties for improper purposes such as so-called “ATO operations” is also wrong.
Moral questions aside, when the undesirable citizen in question has a substantial number of committed followers (in the current case around 600), it is simply not possible to keep that citizen or his faction down.
Simple math dictates that, in a system with 5 top parties, anyone controlling one-sixth of the vote or better cannot be kept out of the Top 5. It is futile and folly to attempt to do so, until and unless the math can be addressed with higher numbers.
The ATO mentality prevailing in the eUS is therefore totally wrong because it is both morally reprehensible and logically flawed. Furthermore, it weakens the remainder of the Top 5 party structure by undermining the stability of their membership.
My examination of the wrongs in our current system will continue in the next article, with a look at what has happened to our parties.
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Party presidents are too important to be elected by a select few. More on that next time.
So basically, you're bashing ato and unity, but giving no alternatives to it?
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The contrast in intelligence displayed in your comment versus the quote from Jefferson's words below is breathtaking. Why are you doing my job for me? I can manage well enough on my own!
Dio Brando was just a bastard son of Marlon Brando. He did't even win an Oscar!
The Traitor speaks, and brings his false god with him; a god and religion push on America by this traitor. Go home Redcoat....
Pfeiffer makes a good point.
When in the Course of human events it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature’s God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, — That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.
Thomas Jefferson
More or less where I am coming from!
Hey, I know you! You know what you're talking about!
ofc, the same thing is going on in RL...
You lost me when you brought RL into this.
Really? Even purely as illustration? Very sad, though you are in a truly wonderful party!
You are comparing RL enforceable laws with a game, where lawlessness is the norm.
Sure Plato has laws....but who enforces them? Answer: unpaid moderators who have, for the most part, their own agendas. Even if Plato were to construct laws to reflect the illustration, the management of those laws are put in the hands of half-wits. Either way, you have big problems.
Short answer, nothing is unlawful in erep land, unless you step on a mod's toes. If you don't want to fight fire with fire, it is time to pack up and move to another game.
'You are comparing RL enforceable laws....'
Those RL laws are only enforceable so long as the RL government chooses to enforce them, much like in eRepublik; I think the Political Module does a pretty good job of recreating almost spot on the corruption in RL politics....
Keep rockin, wingfield. The new game mechanics that neutered the Congressional elections have also been a windfall for the AFA, in that a 50+ state defensive strategy against them was no longer available as long as they made the top 5. And while I would say that the 4 other main parties still maintain some of their own personality, the lines have certainly begun to blur because if this dilemma.
So as long as the AFA is in the Top 5 with its granted Congressmen (that undermine our strategy and sovereignty with ill-timed NE proposals and invites to more "citizens" to pad its membership), you will see a 4-headed megaparty trying its damnedest to counter its every move. And it has so far been a losing battle.
I have a hard time being convinced to give up the fight though. It goes against everything I believe in to let it stand. I am still reading this series with interest though.
So you actually want us to stop ato. Means you actually want servians and madheads take over eUS. Means you actually are a traitor.
I don't think he is saying that at all, Skarbrandus. I think what wingfield is saying is there is a more honorable way of addressing this AFA problem. You saw that ATO in itself was successful for about two days before they all moved to the next sleeper cell, an apparently neglected party called Smokin Aces.
It's just the tone he was talking in, and making word "wrong" bold. Didn't like it 😛
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It's funny how you still think that in reality your government is respecting your rights that you listed here.