[Law Proposal] Changing WT from 3% to 2%
Day 2,766, 16:11
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by J Seemore
To all congress members
I want to propose law about changing Work Tax from 3% to 2%.
Reasons:
- WT affect all producers. All other taxes affect only those who sell their production. When changes have to be made then a proper explanation should be provided. I am agree to pay much more than 3% WT if it is necessary, but there was no debate on that. The vote has been proposed and voted seconds later when the game mechanics requires 24H. Why so rush?
- Changing taxes is under congress authority. In democracy CP can't propose such law. Without information about the reasons for rising WT I consider that act as a real dictatorship. My proposal could be voted down if it can't get 67%, but at least I will hear some opinions. 40 congress members for what?
Give your own opinion, give your vote!
- WT directly reflects to all companies and low quality factories. For those who have only Q7 weapon factory the change of WT is nothing. Same for all players who only work for employer. Paying 1,57 cc tax for working in aluminium mine is not fair, comparing to the weapon bonuses we have.
- With this vote we show that we care about democracy! If not - no point to apply for the congress on 25th.
Please vote and discuss here. When this article disappear from our media the poll will be automatically canceled.
Answering to questions and making a suggestion. It is referred to the cabinet.
There were tax changes in the past when I was MoF and XenthuS was our dictator. Those changes were approved by me as Governor and Xen proposed them in our senate thread, not once but twice. We had no voting system but at least I made an article and I posted Xen's proposal in the congress section in our forum. Let me remind you about the reasons for our past revolution.
Changing taxes for trial? Set some limits - don't replace the meaning of temporary with permanent. These changes are not serious. When you change import tax for weapons from 25% to 15% what results do you expect? No foreigners will place wps in our market if the import tax is higher than 7%. Mo matter if our import tax for wps are 10% or 99%.
Analyzes?I have spreadsheet with all incomes from taxes about Australian origin regions for the past 60 days - each event is written there and I can't make any analyzes. You must have a constant value to examine the variables. Just for example I will post the stats from last week:
If you want to calculate how much money we get from different taxes then at least you need to find how much currency we get from WT. For one week you can do it. Write an article to explain the purpose of future events and when the day starts set all taxes to the maximum - you will block our market. WT will be on 1%. Few days later you will increase it to 2%. All currency will come from that tax, not from the market. You will estimate the value of Work Tax. When you know the real numbers you will make your predictions easier, you will explain why it is necessary to rise the tax and how much extra incomes you expect to get.
There are simple methods to deduct and clean accidental incomes during the test.
You have MoF, you have JR who is the perfect guy for stats, numbers and graphs. Do what you must to do but please publish your analyzes till the end of the term.
I want to propose law about changing Work Tax from 3% to 2%.
Reasons:
- WT affect all producers. All other taxes affect only those who sell their production. When changes have to be made then a proper explanation should be provided. I am agree to pay much more than 3% WT if it is necessary, but there was no debate on that. The vote has been proposed and voted seconds later when the game mechanics requires 24H. Why so rush?
- Changing taxes is under congress authority. In democracy CP can't propose such law. Without information about the reasons for rising WT I consider that act as a real dictatorship. My proposal could be voted down if it can't get 67%, but at least I will hear some opinions. 40 congress members for what?
Give your own opinion, give your vote!
- WT directly reflects to all companies and low quality factories. For those who have only Q7 weapon factory the change of WT is nothing. Same for all players who only work for employer. Paying 1,57 cc tax for working in aluminium mine is not fair, comparing to the weapon bonuses we have.
- With this vote we show that we care about democracy! If not - no point to apply for the congress on 25th.
Please vote and discuss here. When this article disappear from our media the poll will be automatically canceled.
Answering to questions and making a suggestion. It is referred to the cabinet.
There were tax changes in the past when I was MoF and XenthuS was our dictator. Those changes were approved by me as Governor and Xen proposed them in our senate thread, not once but twice. We had no voting system but at least I made an article and I posted Xen's proposal in the congress section in our forum. Let me remind you about the reasons for our past revolution.
Changing taxes for trial? Set some limits - don't replace the meaning of temporary with permanent. These changes are not serious. When you change import tax for weapons from 25% to 15% what results do you expect? No foreigners will place wps in our market if the import tax is higher than 7%. Mo matter if our import tax for wps are 10% or 99%.
Analyzes?I have spreadsheet with all incomes from taxes about Australian origin regions for the past 60 days - each event is written there and I can't make any analyzes. You must have a constant value to examine the variables. Just for example I will post the stats from last week:
Up and down during same tax value. Why?
If you want to calculate how much money we get from different taxes then at least you need to find how much currency we get from WT. For one week you can do it. Write an article to explain the purpose of future events and when the day starts set all taxes to the maximum - you will block our market. WT will be on 1%. Few days later you will increase it to 2%. All currency will come from that tax, not from the market. You will estimate the value of Work Tax. When you know the real numbers you will make your predictions easier, you will explain why it is necessary to rise the tax and how much extra incomes you expect to get.
There are simple methods to deduct and clean accidental incomes during the test.
You have MoF, you have JR who is the perfect guy for stats, numbers and graphs. Do what you must to do but please publish your analyzes till the end of the term.
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There is a group that was in discussion about all the changes, has anyone spoken to that group about the tax changes?
Or are we just going on what we feel on the day and who we are aligned with at that point before we make complaints?
I don't know about any discussions for changing WT.
DoF are running tests changing the tax frequently to see what works etc, this was agreed on a congress term or two ago, and J Seemore knows this full well, as he was the MoF at the time...
Please do inform me if I am wrong.
What works then? - do you see any explanation and analyzes what works?
Just pressing random buttons, that is all.
They have not finished experimenting...
When pr3zzyy, when? There should be a dead line.
Experiment is when you know what you are doing and you and analyze the result of your actions.
I don't know. I am not in DoF.
Why do you keep changing papers? Is there a reason for the differentiating or is it to make it appear that more then one person is writing the questions?
Law proposal can be made by congress member, not by Political Party.
Suggestions for improvements can be made by Political Party.
Also there is no exact way to find out which tax is the one that helps WT. As I have explained at the start. eRepublik only shows all the taxes from the regions. The person analysing has to use a bit of creative freedom to see if any outside factors have taken place that could effect the income.
Like a big NEBULA battle, a TW, an ingame comp, BH extra gold etc. As all these will effect people buying and selling products which will in turn effect the tax income
When you block the market the only incomes will come from WT.
J Seemore is a patriot who has done a great deal of good work for eAus. Let's not forget that.
Prez, tax changes were proposed to explore what is optimal system, but I believe the final decision was to leave each tax rate set for a month, not a matter of days or weeks. A minimum amount of data are required to have a statistically useful result.
Rusty, J says he can adjust for events-- again, I believe those adjustments can only be made with adequate baseline information.
Reducing this article to its simplest form (which is definitely the only way I can understand it! 🙂 ), it seems that J is offering a test of the function of Australia's "democracy under dictatorship."
Leaving all factional differences aside, surely our senators are capable of debating and casting a vote.
What in that is to be afraid of?
Well explained and analized, full suppot
Also let's have a chat about the taxes
"Those changes were approved by me as Governor and Xen proposed them in our senate thread, not once but twice. We had no voting system but at least I made an article and I posted Xen's proposal in the congress section in our forum. Let me remind you about the reasons for our past revolution."
From your article link posted
"So has this been approved by senate, or are we still trying to find the votes in the midst of the 45 pm's whether this is for or against what was voted on."
There was no defined vote as the in-game senate thread is just a de-railing thread that suits people's purpose. Still with no defined vote it was taken ahead by yourself and Xenthus (who I might add I believe still owns the government money from somewhere)
Yes. ~180k CC after everything is deducted from it
pr3zzyy pointed the right sum as far as I remember. I think the revolution null those savings, but better ask Xen about that - he will reply.
There was not real vote about tax changes those days. Voting was impossible, now I am trying to create voting system which requires the effort from each political involved player. At least I rose the information about the future changes.
If players don't want to vote no one can force them. I am for voting.
What is the point in asking them again, the money is the governments and they are with-holding. Simple as that.
So the people who made the effort back then for a real vote where just disregarded? Sounds more like it wasn't going the way people wanted so it was just over-ruled by a few again.
Those few in the Financial thread were more (4 or 5 players) than those who voted "no" in the senate thread. I can't remember exactly the discussions in DoF PM, but there was such.
In the senate thread I remember that you and pr3zzyy voted with "NO" Now pr3zzyy voted very lightly with "YES" because 3% WT is not much now, but 2% was.
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I changed it 1% ....
At $50 wage it's $1.50 tax, only a 0.50c increase ....
But I reduced VAT by 2%, which means you can sell your product cheaper therefore countering the work tax ....
And if you can make the same or better profit while products are cheaper then Work Tax is irrelevant 😉
VAT are not related to Raw Materials, but WT is.
It is not about selling, it is about producing and about discussions those laws.
Stick to your plan but in the end don't forget to present a proper summary of your experiments.
I'm happy to adjust the work tax, but VAT needs to be raised then, so where do you want VAT at?
You had never listened the proposals implemented by me, Ven and Mac about the taxes when we were part of your cabinet. I don't expect to listen them now.
But think about that:
During the training war we will lose our regions and the bonuses, but we will still pay 3% WT for our production. I don't believe that you will ask SA to restore our taxes.
Don't you feel that you need to do something?
I'll reduce to 2% again now for the TW, but I want you to tell me where you think VAT should be at, it will have to rise
Make an article with about financial stuff and you will get more opinions there, including mine. We will solve the tax rate together.
You do very good articles, even if their biased, so I'd prefer you put one out as you can articulate it better 🙂
Haha, you are trying to play smart 🙂
The initiative now is in your hands. I was in your cabinet last month when I was trying to advise you. You late with around 20 days with your request.