[Hungary] Interesting things happens
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In the midst of December a Russian government representative asked me for a grain region in Ukraine for Russia. My answer was : ‘Okay, we will give you one, but we need two grain regions, since the grain is the only really essential resources and we really need one just in case, because for us that would be really hard to get a grain if we would lose all of ours.’
She was pretty assertive about this deal, she didn’t want to accept that this is not the greedy of Hungarians, but safe-play.
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I was thinking about a grain in Ukraine for Russia, I was thinking about a grain in Belarus for Russia.
We had a few more conversations with her and with another representative where I said the same as before : Hungary need a second grain region, but we will try to get a new one somewhere than give a grain in Ukraine for Russia.
Then an interesting thing happened. Russia at that time only bordered Ukraine in Donbas region, but a Russian congress member proposed a Natural Enemy law on Ukraine.
The interesting in this is not the idleness of the law - since after a successful NE Russia would only capable to conquer one region, Donbas, which region doesn’t have anything useful for Russia, since she has an iron region already-, but the fact that only three hours after the NE law Romania started several RWs in Ukraine.
Of course this could be a coincidence after all, but a bit later more fun happen.
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I heard that there are pretty good diplomats in Russia, but I don’t really get the Russian diplomacy’s point : you propose the Natural Enemy law vote hard on the ‘Yes’ and after ask for the regions. After this conversation a government representative asked me if we are defending Sloboda of not, because if we not Russia will send help to the other RWs. I don’t really see the coherence, if we were allies. The Sloboda RW was like 0/1-5 at this time so we answered that we won’t defend the region.
After the RWs we lost Taurida and Sloboda, and Russia go for Ukraine. On 6th January I got elected as the President of Hungary, and after the technical issues I went to sign the kicked off MPPs for Hungary. I signed one with UK, I signed one with Indonesia and I asked Russia :
[2011.01.06. 13:05:44] Armin Thompson: I would like to sign an MPP with you.
[2011.01.06. 13:05:46] Armin Thompson: 🙂
[2011.01.06. 13:08:20] RuCP: i have no objection but lets wait untill evening - i need some tiime to orient in the environment 😉
This was a bit weird since the Russian government said that they want to go for Romania, but I was okay with this.
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yep, i am here , but we have some problems with MPPs. (blush) Is Xmas in Russian and all Cabinet (especialy MoFA and Treasury man) missing, and i stil have no keys to country reserves. So for now i cant answer you 😢
i am terrably sorry for this situation , but will contact you asap
[2011.01.07. 13:57:05] Armin Thompson: Errrm.
[2011.01.07. 13:57:06] Armin Thompson: To GOLD 100.00 one hour ago
[2011.01.07. 13:57:07] Armin Thompson: O.o
[2011.01.07. 13:57:24] Armin Thompson: 1 hour ago somebody had.
[2011.01.07. 14:02:22] Cheshire Hatter: this is gold kept from previous president for MPP with UK - them must propouse every moment ...so i cant use it for another MPP 😢
[2011.01.07. 14:03:42] Armin Thompson: It is okay for me, I just don't know why he can't donate another 100.
[2011.01.07. 14:04:00] RuCP: another?
[2011.01.07. 14:04:03] RuCP: hm
[2011.01.07. 14:04:07] RuCP: sec 😉
[2011.01.07. 14:04:26] Armin Thompson: And can you propose the MPP?
I have one proposed. ;_;
[2011.01.07. 14:07:17] RuCP: i just cant give you an answer right now - i must talk with opur MoFA. As i say i am newbie in this matter and didnt know any of previuor affires of our MoFA . As soon as i have full picture i will contact you and give you an answer. and again i am very sorry for this confusion 😢
Only one hour before this conversation the Russian Government could donate gold to the treasury, in this time they can’t and the president of Russia gave me a dilatory answer for the MPP.
I thought that Russia and Hungary is natural allies, who don’t have to ‘ask the conditions about an MPP’. It seems I was wrong.
I thought that Russia is an enemy of Romania, the country which conquered her regions two times. It seems I was wrong.
In large.
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So technically after cooperating with Romania two times, the Russian government asked for the MPP again, and this time I answered : No. They said that they are cooperating with Romania because the have their own interest and Russia needs a grain, what Hungary could give her anyway.
In this month we saw Russians hitting on the rebel side of a Hungarian RW.
In this month the half of the Russian army were hitting for Bulgaria, against Macedonia the little brother of Serbia.
In this month Russia rejected the Hungarian MPP
It seems I was wrong in a several things. I thought that Romania can’t be a friend of Russia, the country what Romania conquered two times.
Both occasions Russia was freed by Hungarian help. Our country was erased, but we fought in Volga and CBE to help Russian people.
I was the one who supplied the Hungarian army for Central Black Earth, and I was the one who commanded them.
I’m not against the Russian people, but against a government what is cooperating a country what conquered Russia a few times.
AThompson,
former President of Hungary.
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cool story bro
hungary, always screwing in diplomacy :/
sage&hide
позорище...
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TOO HASTY CONCLUSIONS
In the midst of December a Russian government representative asked me
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She was pretty assertive
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She
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Не пускайте баб в политику! От них одни траблы
I'm not against Hungary, just against it's government who orders to fight against Portugal. oh wait
voted. Just cant understand what do Russian congress and goverment want? Romania as an ally for them? Hope not.
MPP whith HU \m/
P.S.
@I’m not against the Russian people - then stfu -.-
Polgar, maybe its better to ask congress? or president directly?
you see you failed in russia and now try to blame someone else: russia, russian people, russian congress and russian attitude.
blaming our government you blame us. show us your friendship by giving us choice to decide what to do with our country.
its humuliating to read such kind of articles. i can understand why you also failed with Brazil and Portugal.
whos next? serbia?
chebba we never ordered army to fight against portugal, we had important things to do like defending Macedon and Turkey, ohh wait russian army fought for Bulgaria against Serbia and Hungary...
1. I really dont hurry with any decision in first days of my presidentship. And as many people know i have no access to MoFA treasury (one and only reason for removing Luzhkow form MoFA position).
2. We have negotiation with Romanian by their initiative. Our only goal was to get a proof of Romanian betrayal against Poland. It was according our plans to form coalition against Romania, that is not actual now.
3. We cant stop our people that fight together with Bulgarians in many battles to go and help them, as we cant stop those who want to fight for Macedonia and Turkey - but our official position is strong neutrality in Balkan conflict. We dont step aside this positions till the end - we refuse asked help to Macedonia and Bulgaria both.
4. After I oriented in situation and have access to MPP reserves I as promise send my new MoFA to negotiate MPP with Hungary, but we receive rude refusal that , strangely, didn't quoted here:
[1/14/2011 11:17:14 PM] MoFA: 23:19 we were talking about MPP, we would like to sign it
23:20 AThompson Hmm.
23:20 AThompson I have two argument against that.
23:20 AThompson 1. Poland don't want it
23:21 AThompson 2. Russia fucked us up in the RWs of Ukraine.
So ... now all facts are clear, i hope.
ernst, dude, the whole world media was FULL of articles and screens where your army guys fought against Portugal on Spain's side.
You are friends with Poland. We don't care. We are friends with Bulgaria and you think you can teach us what to do. Bulgaria is the only country who's army got direct orders to protect our territories while Phoenix was still alive and most of EDEN powers (including your new friend Poland) was attacking us.
So you can be friends with the one who attacked you ally Russia and we can't be friends with Romania who attacked us as well? I don't see logic here.
Also, negotiations mean negotiations. Every country in current situation tries to find solution. We try as well and see results. Thank you for showing your true face.
whooow, te láttál chaten élőben online oroszt?
chebba we never ordered army to fight against portugal, we had important things to do like defending Macedon and Turkey, ohh wait russian army fought for Bulgaria against Serbia and Hungary...
We never ordered army to fight against Macedon and Turkey, we had important things to do like defending portugal, ohh wait hungarian army fought for Spain against against Portugals and Russians
The same, isnt it? No government can stop private initiative ...
For those who doesn't know. Avisian is Russian President.
Ipath : Skype volt. : ) Egyébként romool meg páran jártak fel IRC-re is.
Eden propoganda!!!
@Avisian : I got 2 denial and Russians fight on the rebel side in the Ukraine RWs, Russians fighting against us in Macedonia, and Iran RWs, Russian government started negotions with Romania, Russian government not cooperating with Macedonia to help them against Bulgaria.
After all of this things I think that was fair the reject the MPP. You ask me to accept that the gov go flatter with Romania, Bulgaria and do things against Macedonia, Serbia and Hungary and after all of this accept your MPP. Tha f@ck? O_o
why you mentioned Poland which was apparently against our MPP? if you made decision by yourself because russia is "tha f@ck" why mentioning Poland at all?
learn to lie, AThompson.
"Bulgaria is the only country who's army got direct orders to protect our territories"
I am sorry, but that simply isn't true.
Arssen, for the protocol, who else had such orders?
really? i wonder why the whole russian army was whining in media why allies except for bulgaria didn't help us at all.
and also, to the author of an article. Be a man and publish a name. You mean Plesen, then have some guts and blame her directly. You can't do it because you are a coward and afraid she'll report you. But why? Now they don't ban for publishing logs. Then there is no name because logs are taken the way you wanted them to. This explains why didn't you put Polish part, which was published by our President.
а я скажу по русски, венгры не учите нас внешней политике ВЫ ПРЕДАЛИ португалию, вы предали бразилию и помимо этого подписали мпп с польшей да еще и потом сказали что поляки против мпп России и Венгрии, вы стали марионетками признайте это
и после этого всего я был бы счастлив если бы Россия поступила так же как и Бразилия заключив мпп с Румынией
Fascinating reasoning, however I don't think anyone including AThompson should acquire the knowledge of lying properly.
Simply because it's not a nice thing to do, chebbba.
AThompson, we can negotiate with everyone we like. Important things are reasons for negotiation. I am sure that your close friends Poland explain you very well why we negotiate with poland and how they receive the logs? Or not? Poland have a secrets from their little brother? Not good.
So i never refuse MPP with Hungary. I just must check and discuss with expirienced people (also i realy have no access to MPP gold, and cant use already promised gold for others MPP without any consultation with MoFA). Also we know that you get closer with poland and prefer firstly to check if we can be friends with Poland - you can have copy of our corespondence again form your big borther Poland. And then i was ready to sign , Hungary refuse with reason "Poland don't want it"
So i always was honest in my policy, so now I think that Russia no need in such friend and ally , and i happy that we chose to wait and see your real face. At least you can warn as that you have plans to cooperate with Poland , instead now to named us betraylers because we have agree to listen that romanians want to say without any agreements.
AThompson, add vissza a huntert!
yes, Griffmadar, we both know it's not nice to lie. Now get your e😜resident to know it and ask him why he cut logs. Oh wait, he doesn't have to learn. We can publish the whole logs in comments.
Avisian, чувак, отсутствие информации заколебало. Опубликуй статью в России со всеми логами, можно со ссылками на логи в pastebin. Ты же понимаешь, такая ситуация возникла, потому что блин страна в абсолютном неведении, что творится, и винить их нельзя. Опубликуй логи с Польшей, Румынией и Венгрией. Все, о чем ты говорил.
А всем, кто сейчас гнобит Авизиана и быстренько переметнулся на сторону венгров. Дайте ему сначала возможность объясниться. Вы играете за Россию в любом случае, и каким бы ни был авизиан, он наш президент и подозревать его в пропаганде нельзя. Его проблема неопытность. если облажается с логами - импичмент. Но пока этого не произошло, за рашу надо стоять горой.
Migrant, even though Bulgarian help was immense, it's not like they were the only ones who liberated you. Why do you think Hungarians let CH fall? It was so that they could liberate Russian region under Romanian occupation. Serbia sent it's army and equipped tanks to fight in those RWs all night long. Entire PHX and especially Serbia helped in that enormous PTO attempt several months ago.
Praising only one country for a gigantic effort WE ALL did is simply not fair.
FAIL RUSSIA
@Avisian : you could see our real face when we hit from the occupied Hungary for Russia in Volga and a bit later in CBE. I was the one who supplied and commanded the Hungarian army in CBE, and I'm the same person now. We have got two denial from your gov adressed to the people who helped out Russia in november. O_o You did say that the biggest problem with that MPP was the money? Holy gosh I could donate 100 gold from my own money to your country treasury to help you out. You ask us to sit in a place and wait for the Russian gov to attack Poland, help out Romania in Ukraine? Of course we won't do that. You go away flatter with Serbia's, Macedonia's and Hungary's enemies, got what you want then came back and ask for a _Mutual_ Protection Pact again what you have declined a few weeks ago? Tha f@ck again?
авизиан опубликуй все логи переговоров и дай разъяснение ситуации народу
предатели и румынские подстилки, фу, противно.
I have fought dozens of times on order of eHungarian military command defending eRussian territories, or liberating eRussian territories. So did the whole eHungarian army. Noone can deny that.
AThompson , i see only that those Hungary is not this Hungury. So may be we must change too. Thanks you for lesson.
@chebbba
Now I'm kind of puzzled. If - according to you - he already knows how to lie (and you are accusing him of doing so) then why did you ask him to learn it in the first place?
However, I don't really care about what AThompson has done, is doing or will do. But I do remember the time when we let Romania erase us just to be able to help you liberate your regions. I don't think it is a sacrifice Romania would make for you... just bear this in mind.
Griffmadar, why thank you. Blackmailing Russia is certainly the best thing one can do to warm our relations.
In those RW you had no chances. You needed to close the war and succeed there. I can only say it was a smart move and really was a sign of friendship in russian eyes.
Later, though, you made an alliance with Poland. Yeah, the same Poland which previously participated in erasing Russia from the map. You have plans to attack Brazil, that's why serbian media was full of articles saying that serbs don't want to fight against Brazil or Hungary. That's nice and friendly, you love serbs and understand them.
Then try to understand russians. We have the same neutral position in Balkans conflict. That's why we see no sense in fighting against Bulgaria.
Avisian:
This Hungary only 1 month ago freed Russian teritories. I were hitting in Russian regions since helll knows.
Ask the Serbs about how many of us were online in CBE RW to Free the region. I tell you over 300 ONLINE players hit at the same time in one chatroom. After CBE was free you could not talk for about 20 minutes becouse of the celebration.
Hungary orderd its army to hit in Russion regions NOT in Hungaryina regions to be freed. If we would liberated CH first Russion regions would be still Romanian becouse whitout that 5.000 population we could not hit down the Romanian Tanks.
And There were no order to fight against Portugal. If there would be such one i would not do it. I only fought in Defending Spain regions and in Venezuela RW. So did the hungarian army.
... or for Bulgaria.
My government as i say previosly cant choose which friend to betrayel so we choose to betrayel noone. I recomend many times our army and citizend not to participate in Balkan Conflict.
Каменты ниасилил. Читать противно, как обвиняют друг друга официальные лица двух стран
он уже одни логи слил в прессу, от этого только вред вышел
так что больше не надо
и вообще, кончайте срач, противно это всё выглядит со стороны
Румыния предала Польшу? Ээээ. Вы чего-то упустили. smrtan - тот самый президент польши мечтал о Новом Порядке хрень знает с каких времён.
Венгры всегда выберут выгоду, союзы им по барабану. Так же как и полякам.
Никто не напоминает венгру как он пытался подписать мир с румынами? И главное - когда. : )
Peterbond , Yes, but this month this Hungary sign MPP with Poland and refuse our MPP with silly reasons and without trying to understant our trivial organizational reason for lating.
here is the essence:
HU: - MPP?
RU: - Greate! But can you wait a little because i am confused
HU: - OK
RU: - Sorry, i still have organization problems. will conntact you asap
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RU: Here I am , now i can sign
HU: f*ck off
RU: ?!
срач нужно было закончить еще в той статье, Лужков, где ты от имени правительства выступаешь против Авизиана, дав повод венграм вонять дальше.
Smart move фо риал.
Публикуй логи, Авизиан. Поройся, в конце концов. Раковую опухоль надо вырезать целиком и раз и навсегда принять решение.
Нарыв вскрылся, красиво гной течет.
Лужков, где ты от имени правительства
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лужков любит выступать от имени правительства. Привычка чесание ЧСВ. По речам такий фейлеров и судят по всей стране.
@Avisian : 'You did say that the biggest problem with that MPP was the money? Holy gosh I could donate 100 gold from my own money to your country treasury to help you out. '
If your dream was to fight against Romania, than 1. why did you start negotiations with them 2. why didn't you tell this to Hungary so we could cooperate. I sense daze in the force.
Anyway you can proove the opposition of my arguments : propose NE against Romania, vote yes and attack them. O_o If this would happen I'm pretty sure that the Hungarian gov would accept the MPP proposal and help you.