What Gives USA?
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Canada, we have been at war for a long time now. As a population that thrives and unites during times like this we should be happy, but we are not. Why, you ask? You already know -> America our current occupier. We aren't happy because we did not want this war, we didn't start and we sure want to end it.
Before we really get into it, there have been a few articles in the USA media that has piqued interest in the past few days, one by our own CP, DMV published by HeapSeppo (link here) and another good one (link here) by Hale26. By no means are these articles completely Canadian friendly but they show a logic and I daresay a reasonable argument to ending this war, what the so called American elites refuse to admit. They provide several strong arguments on why this war, previously fun, has become stale and expensive, for both parties involved among other things.
And then we have the bad, Gnilraps article, which attempts to explain the spending by the US government over the past four months (more on this below) and how he claims that the 3 million USD America has thrown into this war is somehow justifiable for activity among other things especially considering we do 1/6th America’s damage on average. But there exists a worse piece of propaganda written by Talostatic, who claims that killing our community is a good thing and that we have a Serb MPP, which makes us an automatic enemy.
I have nothing against these authors personally of course.
We now arrive at the main question. Why is the USA at war with us?
Serbian MPP & Leto Affiliation
Time and time again, we hear that we have to drop LETO and Serbia to even be considered for peace by America. A lot of the early reasoning by USA for the war with us was that we had a Serbian MPP. Obviously the MPP has become a nonstarter in negotiations, because we do not let other countries dictate our foreign affairs. Furthermore, it is easy to tell that this is simply an excuse in America’s quest for resources, which they thought would be easier to get by war.
Why an excuse you ask? Well, guess who else has Serbian MPPs AND a NAP with USA. If you guessed Colombia and RoC you’re right. Portugal also has a Serbian MPP and enjoys freedom.
How did we get here then? Well as all of you can remember, the big alliance change occurred right when we were in the middle of invading the UK, a good ole rival of ours. We immediately sought peace and attempted to align with USA, who had just sent MPPs to Poland, Spain and UK, all countries that had set Canada as an NE. We were rejected and were left to find new friends. Since we could not join their side we left for the other one, with little choice. An interesting point by Prophet009, a legendary Polish citizen for proof (http://prntscr.com/3jjcu40). Brazil has also left Sirius, shouldn't you focus on remaining allies? (tsk tsk http://prntscr.com/3jq7v8 + http://i.imgur.com/CEZFv7f.png)
America, why would you demand we rejoin your side after you rejected us? Did you even try to ask nicely?
Activity & Aide to Citizens
Another point that frequently gets mentioned is that it is a boost of activity for US citizens. Well, guess what? Wars with nations with similar size also does wonders, ask Chile and Argentina. I suppose we’d understand if it went back and forth a lot or if it did not end up lasting long enough to be repetitive and boring, a stage at which we've arrived. If this is the excuse for the war, well the activity boosting is done here, move on. We've also seen Gnilraps claim that COs that led to 3 million USD being spent aided citizens of the USA, when anyone could have claimed the CO money most of the time. Perhaps the only valid reasoning would be TP points and subsequent gold. Even then, would USA not be better off warring with enemies located in Europe? They would be helping Sirius in Europe (besides Poland) rather than let Aurora do all the heavy lifting right?
Resources
This is probably the most valid reasoning behind this war. I mean why else would a grand citizen such as WildOwl claim to respect our past bromance and avoid war, then a week later declare us a Natural Enemy and blame it on our Serbian friendship (which was already well established). If it isn't about the Serbs, the activity or the TP gold this is the only other reason. At this point it seems for two or three meager resource regions, USA has lost any hope of keeping Baja or Japanese regions.
This could have all been avoided if logic had been used and a rental agreement had been point in place. For now though, USA seems all tied up in a very expensive rental agreement.
Summary
In closure, it seems like the USA is just as stubborn as Canada when it comes to war. But, now we’re ready for peace. I mean, in what other situation have you seen a much bigger occupier spend more than the smaller occupied nation in eRep? The recent offer we have made to the USA asked for nothing in return except peace. We offered what they've clearly been seeking for FREE and ask for peace in return. Seems like a pretty good deal to me, unless you just want to kill the eCan community.
So, USA that begs the question…
Are you ready for peace?
We are.
We’re also ready to take this series to Game 7 and win it.
Your move USA.
Another article or two you should read here & here
Comments
Let there be PEACE 😃
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I support you in your struggle 😃
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http://www.erepublik.com/en/main/law/Ireland/143254
I lol'd at the list of Proposals xD
did you look at the debate areas as well lol
HEH
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I think the problem has become mostly psychological. Since so much money has already been spent, a peace would be considered as proof of the stupidity of the architects of the war. Thus they feel they have no alternative but to continue.
America does dictate our foreign policy....it pushed us into the arms of LETO and Serbia 😉
The United States has more of an impact on Canadian foreign policy than Canada does 😉
Serbia? No, it's spelled Serbro.
NJAB 😃
Brilliant article Klop \o/
"How did we get here then? Well as all of you can remember, the big alliance change occurred right when we were in the middle of invading the UK, a good ole rival of ours. We immediately sought peace and attempted to align with USA, who had just sent MPPs to Poland, Spain and UK, all countries that had set Canada as an NE."
I consider this portion to be quite disingenuous. Canada spent quite a lot of time being a butt in general in terms of United States foreign affairs and yet you attempt to link it all to that war with the UK. The way you phrase it also serves to trivialize that war and make it seem much more reasonable than it was.
I your going to accuse people in the US of righting propaganda then you should refrain from doing the same 😉
Buce, the ctrl issue was one time...
This was really what happened, whether you'd like to believe it or not. It is fact not propaganda.
I am referring to more than the ctrl issue, Canada has the unfortunate tendency to launch wars for essentially no reason. The United States made it clear that it wished to improve relations with the Spoland bloc and Canada continually made decisions that alienated itself from that bloc.
It takes two to tango klop, yet you have completely trivialized Canada's role in creating this situation. You know I am all for peace, but I don't think this article gets us any closer.
Launch wars for no reason? We have some very good reasons. One it unites the community, which is a very big plus. Two, our wars are always with enemies of the same size or bigger (something that cannot be said for USA) with purpose eg. UK for resources or ABC for Asgard.
I think you need to take a peek at the screens I have here again. USA has had some poor diplomacy too. Additionally, as far as your war without reason point Buce, what is USA doing right now?
also its an option to launch wars in the game
eCanada has almost always picked country's our own size so as to make it more enjoyable
USA picks small countries to feel better about themselves, the minute you guys got owned by TWO you cried
"Launch wars for no reason? We have some very good reasons. One it unites the community, which is a very big plus."
I would beg to disagree
http://www.erepublik.com/en/article/derpy-on-canada-2372506/1/20
http://www.erepublik.com/en/article/the-economist-notes-on-canada-s-choices-2371008/1/20
"Two, our wars are always with enemies of the same size or bigger (something that cannot be said for USA) with purpose eg. UK for resources or ABC for Asgard."
This is a war game, the strong do what they will, the weak suffer what they must.
"I think you need to take a peek at the screens I have here again. USA has had some poor diplomacy too. Additionally, as far as your war without reason point Buce, what is USA doing right now?"
I have said time and time again that I think that the United States has made its share of mistakes, as well as that we should aid Brazil
http://www.erepublik.com/en/article/time-for-peace--2395744/1/20
Honestly the United States gains more than it loses from the war with Canada, if it wasn't for DMV's credit card we wouldn't have spent nearly as much cc as we have.
Bucephalus, Citing Derphoof, an ex-cp and suspected thief of the eCanadian treasury and Iain Teers, one of the biggest cunts in the game hardly helps to support your point.
"Canada spent quite a lot of time being a butt in general in terms of United States foreign affairs"
Examples beings?
What you call "disingenuous is exactly what WO told me in PM's that I had with him just prior to the unprovoked attack. I had contacted him as a private citizen, not a Canadian government anything. He told me that because we attacked the UK that they couldn't consider Canada as ally material, that we would have to get Spoland's approval to even be considered.
Just prior to the alliance shift we were still considered as the other half of the Broliance. So I ask the same thing as TheSmoke, cite some examples.
The American Bourgeois class that has bankrupt America and bullied Canada for it's own gain will continue to live in denial and blame this war on Canadian foreign policy.
The popular opinion is beginning its tides of change, but it is still in its infants stages. Rest assured, the American players will soon see they are being used, but it will still take awhile.
I for one have no interest in peace at this time. The eUS is the worst country in game and fighting against them is more motivating than any other enemy. Tie them up by their egos, bleed them of what little international goodwill they have left, and all it costs us are almost meaningless Econ bonuses? That's win win in my book. (Congress is a penalty for success both IRL and IG so it doesn't matter to me either way)
LOL, "Congress is a penalty for success".
I'd disagree that the eUSA is the worst country in the game. I'd give that title to eArgentina. eUSA is just led by mental midgets who want to live the thug life with ePoland and friends.
Congress generally is a penalty for success, yes.
Which is why we mushroom farm our Congress in Ireland 😛
v+s
Bankrupting themselves invading smaller countries? eUSA = irlUSA. 😛
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Just don't go surrendering any territories to them in a peace deal. It would be an utterly bitter pill to swallow at this point. Any promise to suppress attempts to RW them would be worthless. If anything we ought to seek damages.
Canada needs to find new friends who have repeatedly shown their dislike of the eUS and only use them for their own personal gains. I'm thinking eSpain and ePoland.
Needs links to the gnil and talo articles
"America, why would you demand we rejoin your side after you rejected us?"
They haven't demanded we rejoin their side. They have just demanded we leave LETO, publish articles saying that LETO is weak and useless as allies and to drop the MPP with Serbia. There was never any offer to join Sirius or Aurora. As a matter of fact, early on in the first months of negotiation that was specifically ruled out as a possibility. The US wants us to have no allies, no MPP's and only fight in battles that they "authorize".
Sounds like real life. whoa.
Traditionally, the eUS have been useless allies as well.
Canadians have bigger wieners than Americans.
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NO to end war w/o public apology from eUSA!
NO to end war w/o publicly admiting they were assholes!
Cordis fkn Die bitchez!
Another excellent article.
Sure I've said this before but amazed at how eCanadians have stuck together while being wiped. When Aust was wiped people started turning on each other, was sad and disappointing to see.
You guys might have your difference but at least you support each other when it's needed. This is more to do with the character of the players than our political leadership.
We all hate each other, but we hate people invading us more.
I'd rather fight resistance war after resistance war and watch america pre-occupy itself with us than call a truce, become their bitch and watch them try to achieve empire status. At least this way they'll never become an empire and eventually Serbian will wipe them. Again.
Murica’s current alliance and NAPs put them in a corner: can’t fight the UK anymore for a fun wipe, don’t have the damage (OR allied support) to make a fist of it against any other country of comparative size, so turned their attention to Canada. This was bound to happen at some stage. I know they’ll whinge on about Canada’s association with Serbia/LETO and try to pretend that’s what the wipe is all about and that they’re within their rights and actually have the moral high-ground on this issue........but we all know that's BS. They're attacking Canada because they're too weak to join the war in Europe and engage an Asteria power like Romania, Serbia or Argentina. Simples.
This is just funny tho: http://i.imgur.com/CEZFv7f.png – getting sniffy about Brazil’s NAP with Arg that allows Brazil congress after being wiped for MORE THAN HALF A YEAR.......................whilst the US have NAPs with Asteria nation China and LETO nation RoC. Lol, awesome!
Canada should hang in there, war/TP medals and forcing the US to neglect allies in order to subdue the North is better than a crappy peace deal. The little roleplaying failhards who think they can kill the Canadian community with this wipe are just sad and misinformed. History has already proven them wrong.
The missed congresses are worth it, but that’s just imo ofc.
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Great read, voted hard!
The NHL link is wrong, so I guess it was Montréal vs Boston, in that case congratz 😛