Let’s create ePalestine
Franz Kafka
Now we have Kosovo on the map. And eRepublik rules have been changed, by offering a vote on whether it should be an independent state or a region of Serbia.
On the basis of this, why not have a vote to add ePalestine.
By creating it in accordance with the 2-state solution we are following a plan that in RL both Israelis and Palestinians have signed up to. Whilst many issues that prevent a final completion of the creation of Palestine do not affect erepublik (such as right of return, etc) – there is one issue that we will need to address - Final status of Jerusalem. I have 2 proposals on this matter:
1) In erep we currently have a ‘Jerusalem District’ in eIsrael. I suggest that this is renamed to ‘West Jerusalem District’ – This reflects the 1967 borders, but it does not reflect current RL Israeli policy that Jerusalem should remain the unified capital of the State of Israel. But to compensate for this...
2) For the Palestinian state we should create just one region called “West Bank & Gaza”. We don’t need to mention East Jerusalem - although we can see from a. that the entirety of Jerusalem is not included in eIsrael. I think this is a useful compromise: Palestinians can consider East Jerusalem to be part of the region and Israelis can contend that it doesn’t – issue side-stepped and we can get on with creating ePalestine.
So there’s my proposal – create a one-region state called ePalestine that takes away none of the existing eIsrael land. There will be those unhappy on both sides with the detail of this, but let’s have a go at this and see where it leads us. Think out of the box, take this in the spirit of the game...
Let’s create ePalestine!
For an alternative view on this proposal have a read here [link]http://www.erepublik.com/en/article/let-rsquo-s-create-epalestine--1882235/1/20[/link]
Q&A:
Q: But how many RL Palestinians are in this game anyway?
A: And how many RL Kosovars or North Koreans are there in this game?
Q: But this is a controversial issue and in RL Palestine is not a recognised state?
A: There is an agreement by both Israel and Fattah to create a state based on the 2-state model. There is disagreement about issues such as right of return, final status of Jerusalem/Al-Quds, Israeli settlements in West Bank, mutually agreed swaps from the pre-1967 borders. But these are minor in the context of the Erepublik game mechanics and do not need to be addressed by this game.
Q: This will be a cause for anti-Semitism and anti-Israel propaganda?
A: And the addition of Kosovo won’t cause anti-/pro- Serb and Albanian propaganda? Any such behaviour is against the common laws of erepublik and the admins will deal with people who contravene them.
Q: Israel will just occupy it and then it will no longer exist, why waste time creating it?
A: Serbia will do the same to Kosovo. But let’s not assume anything here. Even under occupation, the addition of a Palestinian state is progress.
Q: A new state will easily be PTO’d.
A: Yes it probably will be. But there are citizens all around the world that empathise with the Palestinians campaign for a state of their own – with support, a mature ePalestinian state could emerge. Let’s give it a chance.
Q: How is this different to adding Abkhazia or Kurdistan?
A: Not completely different, but at least this proposal does not propose taking away any existing eIsrael land (which creation of eKurdistan would) - so I hope this can make it less controversial.
Q: Why do you want a state which is controlled by terror organizations? and was against Osama bin Laden being killed? and they already declared that if there is going to be a Palestinian state, no jews will be allowed to get in (why is it sounds like something from WW2?...) now tell me the true, do you really want this kind of state?
A: No I don't want that kind of state. The erepublik mechanics won't allow that kind of state to exist. We aren't changing RL, we're just adding them in eRepublik. I understand the RL concerns about creation of Israel, and wholly leave that to RL politicians and activists to resolve. I'm just talking about the game here.
Q: Palestine never existed, so why create it?
A: Because this is not about history, it's about eRepublik looking forward to future.
Q: You know you are flaiming now and trying to include RL politics in the game?
A: I reject that accusation. RL politics will detail people's responses to the issue and hence I address these RL concerns, but my article is about an Erepublik issue
Q: Why palestine and not malta or mongolia or gabon? This will be another pointless country and without its rl players.
A: Why eKosovo, the same argument applies.
Comments
y do you want a state which controll by terror organizations? and was against Osama bin Laden kill? and they alrdey decleare that if there is going to be a Palsean state, no jews will be allowed to get in (y is it sounds like something from WW2?...) now tell me the true, do you really want this kind of state?
Thanks Yagi - this is just the kind of questions that will be on many people's minds - I've added an answer to the Q&A above.
Arab community failed to run ONE of out THREE countries. although i do not mind the idea of ePalestine it just would be a state under PTO, which is missing the point of this game.
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Failestine is terror, we are against terror, and you support terror.
Palestine never exist.
It was taking from Jordan in the act of self defense.
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jews cant face the realty
You know you are flaiming now and trying to conclude RL politics in the game?
why palestine and not malta or mongolia or gabon?
this will be another pointless country and without its rl players.
Nope, All of the land of Israel is ours.
Eretz Zion - Yerushalayim
im sorry to inform you but the countryless palestinians already declined this offer in 67 and started attacking us, thus making us occupy the rest of the lands withing the israeli border.
SO inlight of all of the above, Jerusalem is entirely OURS alongside the rest that we so horribly "occupied" (defended ourselves).
Im terribly disappointed by you franz.
Palestine doesn't exists, palestinian people don't exist, even their leaders have claimed so in the past.
Palestine is a country, israel is not, so sure, why not.
Palestine doesn't exists, palestinian people don't exist, even their leaders have claimed so in the past.
NO PALESTINE !!!
JEWS WILL BE FOREVER THE GUARDS OF THE HOLY LAND !
HaHaHaHaHaHa!
N-O !
1. The UN havent voted for a Palestinian state yet, so it is not in the same status as Kosovo.
2.Palestine is a small area, with a small population, and most of the people don't even have an Internet connection. i doubt that more than 20 palestinians play eRepublik .
3.palestinian authority's borders are not ceratin, that's why israel doesnt have the west bank in game, even though there are about half million israelis living in it and Israeli government contorls most of this area.
4.as you said, it will be just another useless PTO country ..
Q:
"At the time of the 1988 declaration, the PLO did not exercise control over any territory, and its claimed territory remains under Israeli occupation. It claims the Palestinian territories and has designated Jerusalem as the capital of Palestine, despite Israeli control."
[From Wikipedia]
So, I will now go to Egypt, just wave a bogus flag and declare that I'm independant and that my capital is Cairo [Outside of my own "borders"] and this will be okay?
Sure, tomorrow I'll be in UN, watch the news plz thx....
U mad bro?
You were a CP here? Well then now I guess the rumor's true and anyone can be CP in here....
Removed friend
I would have unsubbed if I ever did sub.
not voted
THERE ARE NOT COUNTRIES LIKE KOSOVO OR PALESTINE
Let’s create ePalestine?!
http://www.erepublik.com/en/article/let-s-create-epalestine--1882235/1/20
Why there is so many idiot bring RL to this game?
vote!
lets keep IRL politics out of the game
Yes for ePalestine
@Octavius
Arab community did not fail, we did a great job relative to our numbers and the dirtiness of our enemies
wow very hot topic. eRep has already enough issues to make people hate each other really not need one more Franz therefore lets get some other less problem parts of the world 🙂
Having said that, let me also set somethings correct since our friends from Israel might not know it. But there is Internet connection and many Internet cafes also even 3G broadband network as well as ADSL in Palestine.
not voted.
removed friend.
unsubbed.
@ voice
arab community does not have a real voice in this game as of yet.
saudi is just a playfield for regional forces and egypt is croatian while UAE is serbian. Arab countries failed big time.
shame on you,
don't support terorists.
Shame on you Franz Kafka. You know Palestine is not even close to being a country and is run under terror organizations that seek to destroy Israel. Judea and Samaria belongs to Israel, Palestine is a Roman word to de-Jewize Israel, there are no "Palestinians", they have the exact DNA as Syrians and Jordanians. Palestinian flag didn't even exist, they grabbed the Jordanian flag and waved it, then after the late 60s they decided magically they are a nation and just deleted the white star in the flag to hide this fact. If you support Palestine, you support the idea that Jews are not allowed and that Jews must be thrown to the sea. And as Article 7 of Hamas's constitution quotes, "The Day of Resurrection will not arrive until the Moslems make war against the Jews and kill them, and until a Jew hiding behind a rock and tree, and the rock and tree will say: 'Oh Moslem, oh servant of Allah, there is a Jew behind me, come and kill him!'" (Sahih Bukhari 004.52.176)
Stop calling for attention and read, get informed, face the facts.
Would be true, If Palestine existed as even a State. In real life its just the remnants of Arab imperialism colonization of foreign land. People move there, they attack them because their not muslim then try to kill them. If they want a state, move back to Saudi Arabia. Arabs conquered the entire middle east and N africa, they can give up a tiny spot of land.
I'm pretty sure Palestine wouldn't even have players, they're too busy making IED's and shooting rockets.
Rofl on children.
Well I think thats exactly what admins want with adding Kosovo.
I am againist adding Palestine.
i dont know how many palstinan have internet after all they barley have water.. dont see a point in building a country for a ppl who dont play this game. just a PTO target..
Too much hate comments from pro-israel
the Franz Kafka article is certainly not pro-palestinian, it is just passively neutral, as any intelligent moderate European or American will think!
I am disapointed Kafka.. it is not your opinion's that bothers me, but the lack of knowledge and thought that comes with them. stupid article. unsubbed.
@Varlosh
i can see you know what you talking about!
this is what probably going on in your hea😛
"let tell lies and it will come true!"
and Franz,
now i am going to make QAA
it means
Quastion. Answer (yours). Answer (mine answer to your answer)
😃
Israel is also Palestine - just saying.
Poor Franz, honestly I kinda agree that we might as well include it (even if just for the lulz) I mean now eIsrael knows how eSerbia felt...
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Voted!!!
ADD Palestine AND LEBANON!!
Franz-A: And how many RL Kosovars or North Koreans are there in this game?
Yagi AA: Kosovu is still not in the game and might even wont be in the future/ north korea is an old country which is in the game from day 1 so they didnt check it by RL players. so yours answer means nothing.
A: There is an agreement by both Israel and Fattah to create a state based on the 2-state model. There is disagreement about issues such as right of return, final status of Jerusalem/Al-Quds, Israeli settlements in West Bank, mutually agreed swaps from the pre-1967 borders. But these are minor in the context of the Erepublik game mechanics and do not need to be addressed by this game.
AA:there is still no agreemnet. the only thing there is right now is the UN want both of the sides to Negotiation, which israel agree and the palestins says NO. and it even not close to get end. and there are many more problems then what you said, the palastines want all israel's lands, there first area they want is just part 1 of thire plan. if you not belive me check it on youtube, an imoprtant governtmen of them says it all the time.
A:And the addition of Kosovo won’t cause anti-/pro- Serb and Albanian propaganda? Any such behaviour is against the common laws of erepublik and the admins will deal with people who contravene them.
AA: again kosovo isnt in the game yet.
A: Serbia will do the same to Kosovo. But let’s not assume anything here. Even under occupation, the addition of a Palestinian state is progress.
AA: stop answering by using what might be if it will get in erepublik, so far it isnt!!
A:Yes it probably will be. But there are citizens all around the world that empathise with the Palestinians campaign for a state of their own – with support, a mature ePalestinian state could emerge. Let’s give it a chance.
AA: ok so let also make every single REAL state of africa first. same thing, expt that in africa we are talking about real countryes.
soon i will add the countine, out of space, must go
Nice to see open minded people like you Franz V
Add Great Socialist People's Libyan Arab Jamahiriya!
Let’s create ePalestine?!
http://www.erepublik.com/en/article/let-s-create-epalestine--1882235/1/20
That's another 'hot potato'... I think admins should add ALL countries so there is no gray areas... Borders could be according to UN for example...
Game on! o///////
Franz Kafka -1 🙁
How many palestinian must you kill everyday? don't you have a compassion?
Shame on you, Jews. Thats why Hitler Hates you. you are the most racist people in the world.
Pray for Palestine 🙁
@lev: your post itself is racist o7
@lev: since you brought muslims in, ie RL RELIGION,
lets ask who consider themselves the favourite of GOD? whom GOD had given Palestine forever as a gift? isn't that racist?
how about the status of black jews, Arabs in israel?
Israel states itself as jewish state! and will not allow palestinians back!! isn't that the same racism you accuse Palestinian of?
Turkish-Krudish struggle is political one and not racist one! at lease Turks did not come from another continent with lame execuses like that were given the land by god! Turks are native to this land! Israelis are immigrants from Europe
do you know how many palestinians are illiterates?
@lev:
1. How many black jews are in cabinet? how many arab is in cabinet? in Parlimant? how many Arab is in top office? are arabs allowed to immigrate? why the state is identified as "jewish" state. That is biase toward a religion and certainly not giving the muslim and christian arabs who are native to the land
2. that is political, not that Turkey sees Kurds as inferior! if they said that the reason is them seeing Kurds is lowly race (as how the Torah sees non-jew) then it would be racism!
3.Palestinians lived for 10000 years there! many "arabs" palestinians are descendant of Kannanites and phonecians who were there before Abraham. Arabs were dominant in Levant and palestine even before the coming of islam when new wave of souther arab tribes came and mixed with older arab and phonecian and what rest of kanaanite population