William Shafer's "Proof"
USWP Communications
http://www.erepublik.com/en/article/-treason-in-america-once-again--710834/1#comments
William Shafer posted some "proof" that the USWP was conspiring with PEACE and doing some very un-American things.
The "proof" is indeed posts from our party forum.
None of it shows any connection to PEACE however. All it is is a collection of posts describing why the party is against the war in France. That's not treasonous. Its freedom of speech.
The only line that relates to Peace is when Rocco discussed sending a link of the PUBLIC article to the French president.
It was a PUBLIC article. He also sent it to the Croatians and Hungarians. Its not like he sent some top secret document. The President of France would see it anyway.
Labeling our party traitors because we exercised our free speech is very low. This is a group of people conspiring to bring down the USWP with lies and slander.
We are ashamed to have supported Benn Dover in the last election. We are ashamed an American president would stoop to this level.
If you believe in freedom of speech. Please vote this article in support.
Comments
I kill zombies with a shotgun!
Benn Dover is over. His time is up.
Voted.
Things aren't looking too well for you USWP.
Here here, USWP, looks like this may be a controversy to bring down the zombies...
-Jewitt [C-TN]
Your actions have led to the biggest political diversity in the world. Congratulations on single-handedly making our country go from a 2 to a 10 on the Political Stability scale.
Btw - how come Rocco and Lukasz both supported the war WHEN I declare it? Nice flip-flop.
Zombies lack s good spinal system so it is either for them to flop back and fourth.
When you declared it, it wasn't being mismanaged and going to hell.
I wasn't aware that we were the ones who just labled 800+ people traitors. That shouldn't help stability.
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Check out the military manifesto
voted for freedom of speech
Voted.
There's a difference between voicing your opinion against a war, and actively trying to sabotage it. Our nation is losing ground and what are you doing to help stop it?
USWP is over. Their time is up.
I fixed that for you there Zahmir.
Leaving working with PEACE together ( which i don't think actually EVER happened ), discouraging people to fight during war is like backstabbing, tajt will lead to nothing.
Anyway things are messed up now either politics or war ...
LOL at the USWP
Join the Nationalist Party
I de clare this the PEACE scare... much like the red scare.. easilt avoidable and stupid
*easily
Long Live USWP
(from far)
You don't even live in the US so why do you care
We leave an impact with our members. He was a former US citizen and USWP member.
You all call us "zombies" even though you don't realize we have a really active inner-party community.
I thought the Libs were the new zombies??? LOL
George Washington warned against the formation of political parties. Looks like we can't even follow his advice in the eWorld....
Voted, btw
I agree with the connection to the Red Scare.
The PEACE Scare must be prevented before it starts.
The USWP is a good party filled with smart people, and desent is not treason.
"The hottest places in Hell are reserved for those who in times of great moral crisis maintain their neutrality."
~Alighieri Dante
For the sake of this eNation we must not succumb to selfish politcal bickering and destroy our great people. I am not completely against the war nor is every member of the USWP. It is my view that we need a better strategy, one that does not rely on the sheer size that our president lauds as the ultimate advantage.
We have now seen in the eWorld as we have in the Real World that simply having that largest most well-funded army in existence does not guarantee victory, only and advantage.
We need able leadership to sieze that opportunity. Benn Dover is a capable man; I am sure of it. But, now we need a new understanding and if Benn Dover does not discover it I pray that somebody else dethrone him.
Wars are multilateral. The Military, the Media, the Political, and the Economic must all be balanced at once and we cannot afford to forget any factor. We need to plan.
To my President,
You have a right to be upset that your name has been tarnished for something that you really couldn't have helped, but a lie is a lie, Benn Dover. The United States Workers' Party members are no traitors. I am no zombie. I am no traitor. That is a lie.
I loves me some freedom of speech.
I don't know about you guys but there is no such thing as "unrestricted" freedom of speech.
If speech incites hate, is treasonous, or is generally offensive and disrespects other areas of the USA constitution.
We believe in PEACE THROUGH SUPERIOR FIREPOWER!
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http://www.erepublik.com/en/article/the-neo-whig-party-710811/1
"Here in America we are descended in blood and in spirit from revolutionists and rebels - men and women who dare to dissent from accepted doctrine. As their heirs, may we never confuse honest dissent with disloyal subversion."
Dwight D. Eisenhower
Those that follow the herd in this recent anti-USWP hysteria are the true traitors... traitors to the American ideal: "He that is the author of a war lets loose the whole contagion of hell and opens a vein that bleeds a nation to death."- Thoman Paine
I have no problem with you voicing your opinions regarding the war, but actively promoting dissent and sabotaging the war effort (whether through media propaganda or communicating with enemy leaders) once a DEMOCRATIC vote has gone through congress in support of the war is treasonous. If you have a problem with the war, and think you can get public support for a withdrawl, why don't you focus on winning the next election on that platform, or impeach Benn Dover? Don't defend yourself with 'freedom of speech' your actions have gone beyond free speech.
i believe in free speach and Benn did go too far, but his underlying idea is right and it is being overlooked. the USWP is a party of talk, not action. they come out in opposition of the war to make a splash and present the illusion of action to gain members and votes. benn calls them out on this and instead of addressing his accusations with facts or remitting them, they glaze his whole ideaover with talk of their free speach being restricted. this is talk for the sake of talk, benn went overboard yes. but you waste our time with this controversy and disunity. we are at war, WIN IT. then address the fundamental issues we all know are present. Talk is cheap
@Scott1:
"Those that follow the herd in this recent anti-USWP hysteria are the true traitors... traitors to the American ideal..." Not to mention right before this you quoted a five-star general...regardless this makes little sense.
We (those crying "against the USWP" if I could say) are simply arguing that treason has occurred not on the basis of free speech, but on the basis of contacting the enemy [at which I personally, and few are, not calling the whole USWP traitors, just their active community has supporters of these actions] for support and sabotage as well as breaking the chain of command in the military.
These issues have been brought up before, and all the USWP members have said is "It's free speech!" Though they have not denied contacts with the French president (Aside from "To my knowledge..." comments) nor have they even defended their breaking the chain of command in the eUS National Guard and eArmy.
-Jewitt [C-TN]
Political membership, affliations, and personal views of the war aside; the purpose of these articles that so many are bashing is that the entire USWP was accused of being traitors. I am a proud soldier IRL and in the eVerse, I have taken my place on the battlefield from the beginning and I will continue to do so. But I will not stand idly by and be called a traitor because of political spin.
If one person can level proof that I am a traitor to my nation, I will happily accept punishment fitting that most high of crimes. Until that has happened, I have a right to decry the slander against my person because I am a member of a party that is no longer in favor of the war.
Plain, simple, done.
I was a member of the USWP, and despite all the "zombie" talk and anti-USWP sentiment I remained a member because I knew that didn't represent me or those in the party that I affiliated with. However, these actions taken by the party president and supported by many in the party were horrifying and convinced me it is time to find a new party to support.
If you disagree with the war and want to voice that, fine. But to contact the enemy (yes, by being a resident of the eUSA which is at war with France, that does make France your enemy) to bolster support is treasonous and cannot be supported by any conscientious American. Fellow active and patriotic USWP members, it is now time to leave this party and find a party that is in line with our values and ideals!
Nowhere in Rocco Baldelli's Platform did he indicate an anti-war stance, and this about-face, combined with his autocratic ways (see his latest shout, ordering all USWP members to read and vote on his article denouncing the war) are wrong and are not what the party stood for. Down with Rocco Baldelli! Go eUSA!!!
Labeling our country imperialists because we exercised our ability to wage war is very low. This is a group of people conspiring to bring down the USA with lies and slander.
Just a quick edit of one of your comments. Treason? Maybe not, but it was shady. Why would you send it to the president of France? And why would you talk to them and Croatia(USWP isn't controlled by Petric anymore. Just let me see you say those words), without even talking to Benn. He told me that nobody that doesn't agree with it has had a one on one conversation with him at all about the war at all. Why wouldn't you show him a little respect and give him the time of day, or even try to get some information from him that would support your new stance?
Also, Cohen brings up an excellent point. USWP are quick to turn up their nose at the word 'zombie,' and call it terribly inaccurate, but they're just as quick to jump on the labeling bandwagon. All Benn and Shafer did was call you out. They didn't restrict your speech at all. If I tell you to shut the hell up because you're an idiot, will you accuse me of fascism or trying to restrict your free speech?
"Leaving working with PEACE together ( which i don't think actually EVER happened ), discouraging people to fight during war is like backstabbing, tajt will lead to nothing.
Anyway things are messed up now either politics or war ..."
Dont forget the economy, we need major reforms to sort this country out in all three sectors. As far as I can tell we can only do that with the stability that is acheived during peace time. Correct me if im wrong, but most companies on the market are making a loss, I did the numbers and out of the three companies I checked only one was at a profit (it was a canadian company). My own companies are having to sell abroad just to stay afloat, what does that tell you?
Nice one, Benn. Impeach!
i wish you could vote up comments
Down w/ the USWP!
When Benn is gone who here really thinks they know how to run the country. We will probably get stuck with a terrible president and what will we do then?
Free speech? You right to free speech is being oppressed?
Is there some e-prison I'm not aware of that Benn has thrown you in?
Does Benn not have free speech as well?
Bye bye eAmerica...
There is a big difference between speech and action. Communicating with the enemy in a democratically declared time of war is in all essence treason unless you were authorized to have such discussion. Actively working against the war effort external of your country to bring it down also adds to it.
But seriously, my bigger question is why are you against a war. Wow...instead let's sit all the time in this game...build...consume...build...consume...for the rest of your eRepulik life? That's going to be so exciting. Can we not remember this is a game? Let's take over a country. if they wanna join great, if not they can resist and the game is all that more interesting. What's the point of becoming a strong country if you do nothing with it? of course that is not an argument for real life as I remind again that THIS IS A GAME...
I thought the Libs were the new zombies??? LOL
Libs were the old zombies, and are still zombish to a lesser extent.
Such a shame, you can't even speak with foreigners these days if you live in America. Before you know you're committing treason.
What's next, being a terrorist because you refuse to fight for an unjust cause?
ok what's with the flip flopping! Gosh you USCP are a bunch of sissies no maturity, stand behind our president and give him some respect, you can't blame him for what has happened.
I think everyone needs to take a collective breath and remember that were all americans. If we could all unite we would be unstoppable.
You guys want to know why the USWP is so big? Cause every new person that joins eRepublik wants to be the number 1. They joined without knowing what it stands for. They joined based on a good party name. Seriously, why do you think most of the USWP members is never on most of the time? Cause they don't really care!
I would say that activity is horrible through out this game. I know that there are at least 10 people inactive in New Mexico. I personally find it hard to believe that the US is populated by X-thousands of active people. I think belittling the USWP for the activity of there entire member base is ridiculous. I would love to see one of the Major parties with a majority of its members active on their forums.
Not every party uses forums. Some prefer to stick with the US forums, and not alienate their members from it