the value of war games
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scrabman
I've been seeing a lot of articles and people railing against War Games lately in comments and otherwise. The opinions range from the 13 year old's articulate "war games are retarded" to the equally versed "we want reel warz." I have found it curious that the war games that started out with such enthusiasm are now taken with such disdain by a vocal minority that seems to grow more and more restless daily. So I wonder if there is some confusion about the purpose of the war games and their alternative ... real war. Namely, I want to address with people the misconception that we are not helping our allies while we engage in war games.
Purpose
War games are the only way for the majority of eUSA citizens to fight without getting into a futile gesture to attack one of our heavily allied neighbors in a battle we would surely lose due to being unsupported in the fight. Starting a real war just for these folks is reckless and wasteful. The war games cost almost nothing compared to the cost of a real war and it gets our citizens into shape for when we do have to fight a real war. I look forward to the day when we can launch a coordinated attack. I thought that was going to be last weekend ... but then things fell apart.
Another effect of the war games is a huge benefit to wellness that we are getting through an increase in our gross national product caused by healthier workers. Further, it is far easier for citizens with low battle stats to train up than it is for Generals like me who have 50,000 points between levels (I'm 1/5 of the way to Field Marshall).
Reel Warz
The stuff being written against war games is largely by people who only have a surface understanding of the levels of diplomacy that happen behind the scenes in this game. They are by people who just want to go to war because they think it will be fun or for lulz. I've been through 3 wars now and they aren't fun when you lose. In fact, they tear the country apart and demoralize us while wrecking our economy. So those who think it will do all these great things ... for the most part ... weren't around for the last couple of times we did that.
The most vocal critics really don't understand that going to war for no good reason will end in disaster. We won't have any support in our war and that will just be a disaster when we run out of funds and guns. I've built a nice war chest with the new national budget and I want it to be used in a war we can win ... or at least one that will help our allies. I work with Romania on a daily basis by sending our troops to support them. Just look at the movements.
Supporting our Allies
Many people seem to be screaming why we aren't supporting our allies. Well I tell you that we are. I am in contact with our allies daily through my top military Generals and personnel like Eugene Harlot, Leroy Combs, Istarlan, and Armandez. We send our troops over seas almost daily. Many people still ask why we don't just attack Russia (including PEACE propagandists).
Going to war with Russia doesn't directly help Romania at this time. So we have been sending our military over to help them but Indo keeps pushing Romania back. I'm not sure what the next steps will be but we are supporting our ally in the way that they are asking us to do. Throwing tons of money into a war that we won't win is not helping them as much as sending our military to directly help them is. However, if they do get to a point where an attack on Russia, France, or Portugal will help them then I am prepared to do that. So far Romania has not asked for that level of support because we haven't found a time when it would be helpful.
Understanding MPPs and how Alliances Work
I have gotten a lot of questions from people about why we don't use our MPPs to conquer Russia/France/Portugal etc. Well, that is because MPPs don't work that way. MPPs only activate when another nation attacks you on your native territory. So if we attacked and took some part of France (activating their MPPs) and they counterattacked and took it back then none of our MPPs would activate. They would have to actually attack us on our home soil for our MPPs to activate. Until then we are fighting alone and we aren't strong enough and don't have enough money to face down 10 other nations by ourselves and all of the nations on our borders have at least 8 or 9 MPPs leaving us to fight an impossible battle.
That is the nature of war in eRep. Without a border you can't go to war unless one of your MPPs activate in another country and that only happens if a nation like Croatia is attacked on their home soil (which happened two weeks ago and we protected them by repelling the attack). One of the good things about having so many MPPs is that we can actually fight in other countries if anyone will ever trigger one of them such as if Sweden actually did attack Germany or if Indo hits Romania on their home territory. Indo has been very careful about this so far which is more of the frustration that our citizens face with the issue of real war. Still, if an MPP ever did activate it is a bargain at 30 gold compared to the 65-75 gold cost of most war games battles.
Conclusion
There is more to this game than fighting and conquest. It is a social strategy game as much as it is about tactics, economics, resource management, and many other aspects. To look at this game from a one dimensional approach is a mistake. I have worked hard to build a war chest and I will not have it wasted just because the nation is restless to get into "real battles." We will fight to win or we won't fight at all and I will continue to send our troops overseas whenever possible. These are both things that I campaigned on way back when I first ran for President and I stand by them today.
Thank you.
scrab - eUSA President
Comments
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Scrabman has good points in this article. I think its strange that Uncle Sam was hated for having a real war yet there are still people who scream that the USA should attack everyone. Training wars are good for everyone
I have a question regarding real wars. Swenden (full member of Atlantis) is prepearing to attack Germany (which is member of Atlantis and is waiting to get full membership).
It seems that Romania, Finland, Croatia, Poland support Sweden in this attack. Read about it here: http://pastebin.com/m567f7cd3" target="_blank">http://pastebin.com/m567f7cd3
The USA has an MPP with Germany so US citizens will be able to fight from home and help Germany. But from what Harlot said it seems that after the war starts the USA will sign a peace treaty with Sweden and leave Germany defensless.
So an Atlantis member will backstab another Atlantis member. What is your official point of view?
Which ally will you support? Germany or Sweden?
Glad to hear some good reasoning.
SolgamesUSA
http://www.erepublik.com/en/article/star-trek-where-no-man-has-gone-before--797522/1/20" target="_blank">http://www.erepublik.com/en/article/star[..]/1/20
Harlot's statements do not reflect mine - though in most things he and I are on the same page. I am still hoping that diplomacy will prevail in the Sweden-Germany conflict as I find it senseless for Sweden to beat up on Germany when we have such better targets to go after. However, Harlot is correct and there will be an active MPP that will allow USA citizens to defend Germany in the manner described above. I will not issue orders one way or the other to our citizens regarding that matter ... meaning that our military will remain neutral.
Logical
Hey, you are supporting your allies, I see the marines all the time at Romania, and you helped us with the MPP 😃 I love the US 😉
@spok - so if Sweden will attack Germany you will not sign a peace treaty with Sweden?
Scrabman only needs 65 more subscribers to be a medial mogul. If you have not done it yet please do it now!
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good read
I made a promise to the President of Germany to support him. I'm doing my best to preserve that promise without losing our ally in Sweden. It is not an easy path to walk.
Insightful article about the nature of training wars. I do agree with scrabman here that it's better to train and fight where it's useful, then to fight for fights sake and just waste money, weapons and everything to gain nothing.
On the German Sweden Thing, i'm not part of the military but i'm from the Minutemen brigade. So depending on my orders from huskerguy77 i will act accordingly, even though on a personal note i think it to be a rather useless damaging operation, and would probably support any form of compromise found.
GIVE US WAR GAMES!
Germany's strategic position in Europe is making it a target. In one way or other it was to be coming up. And with Sweden attacking it surely will bring PEACE into the fray, because of Germany's geopolitical position and past actions. Don't you think that this can break Atlantis, over an issue that does not deserve it?
Zoli, with quality articles that he is writing, like this one, I guess he will get the Media Mogul soon 🙂
Excellent article. So long as we continue to readily support our allies and maintain wargames, I'm happy.
And I'm glad to hear that our President is being tactful and careful in the precarious situation regarding Germany/Sweden, as I'm obviously a firm believer of aiding allies in need... Although I am somewhat disturbed if the chat logs regarding Sweden's desire to backstab Germany are true. That's not a very honorable thing to even contemplate.
Training wars are great, but if we don't fight everyday, we fall further behind PEACE who do.
Thanks for the war games, they certainly help our country to be ready in case of a real war.
Very educational. Thank you.
Could not have said it better myself. Thank you!
OMG! No comment from GladDOS yet? Where are ya Gladdy?
I've got 2 solutions for the UK wargames problem:
1. USA - UK sign peace again -> UK is out of USA-Ireland war
UK and Ireland settle their treaty
USA - UK re-sign mpp
Ireland attacks USA -> UK enters the wargames on USA side
2. USA - UK sign peace again -> UK is out of USA-Ireland war
Ireland attacks USA as usual -> seperate UK - USA war is activated
UK will only be at war with USA (can trade with everyone else)
I just joined the game a few days ago and didn't know what was really going on. I saw lots of topics all over the place about everything you said here.
I have been looking at the wiki to get a better understanding of things and that, and this, article have helped me decide that a real war right now would hurt us. Thanks for taking the time to post this and keep us eAmericans in the know.
Okey there is one more solution (but basicly same as the 2nd suggestion)
3. USA - Ireland sign peace.
Ireland attacks Canada -> seperate USA - Ireland war is activated (for free, due to the special mpp rule, no need to declare war again)
Ireland attacks USA to restart training.
UK is not involved in the training (they can join whenever they settle the treaty with Ireland)
@Malosanmaka - the problem that the UK will still face is that they won't be able to sign any MPPs with the 15 nations who are allied with the USA against Ireland. The can reestablish trade through peace (and they have done so) but they won't be able to MPP with any of those nations until the original war is closed. We had this problem recently with the Swiss where we were unable to MPP with them until the war with Mexico was closed. It was frustrating.
As I see it, the UK has till Friday to broker the deals they need in order for us to fix this glitch. If they haven't pushed through an agreement to fix the glitch by then we will just go back to the USA-Ireland games. We can't hold everyone else up if they can't be motivated to make this work.
Ok, but my 3rd proposal is still possible then. You don't need to re-declare USA-Ireland war. Just activate it through Ireland's attack on Canada.
we need to continue with our war games as PEACE continues to get stronger by means of their own war games. The other countries need to realize we can´t just sit on our laurels while PEACE strengthens its power.
UK+US Should rule the world and if they worked together with a few other countries, we should be the KUS (kingdom of the united states!)
@malosanmaka - We do need to restart through us so that our 15 allies get the benefit of the War Games. They signed their MPPs with us for that purpose and so long as we are getting contribution for the War Games we will do them that way so that we help our allies and get the mutual protection of all of those MPPs. Even if we never get contribution from some of the member nations we get a tremendous benefit from hosting the games ourselves.
Interview with Scrabman (me) about the US-UK negotiations.
http://www.erepublik.com/en/article/world-exclusive-interview-with-u-s-president--797783/1/all" target="_blank">http://www.erepublik.com/en/article/worl[..]/all
Give him some votes and subscriptions.
Thank you for a well written article that should clarify, to those who will truely read and are capable of comprehending, the reasons for war games and the actions the eUSA is taking for it's allies. As a new comer I found it very informative and it helps to dispell some of the propaganda so often thrown around.
@scrabman - I realise that.
Just suggesting that you avoid re-declaring war (and spend 300ish gold) this way.
Ireland attacks Canada -> USA has MPP with Canada and borders with Ireland -> Ireland - USA war is automatically declared.
After you restart the war this way wargames can continue normally.
@malosanmaka - Oh, I see what you're saying! Very bright! Thank you! That will save some money for sure!
From these war games I went from a level 14-17 and went from Corproal to a Captain. War games are good for the eUSA.
Scrab...
Your an idiot.
Ok, now that that's done with, you say that those of us who are calling for 'Real wars' have only a surface understanding of the diplomacy going on.
Well, perhaps that's becuase we, essentially, live in an autocratic government. Why? Becuase you don't tell us ANYTHING thats going on.
Of course they 'only have a surface understanding.'
You aren't getting my vote next election. I'll find someone else worth voting for. Or, If I can ever get the gold, I'll run myself.
What i though at you with these wargames is why are all products(raw included) have such a high income tax. 20% is 1/5 of all income, i could stand 10%, or even 15%, but 20% makes this the eUS more like a tolitarian then free market.
This was very informative and thanks for the update and explanation. I wasn't so sure about the newest set of war games, but after reading this it makes it much more clear that we're on the correct course. Keep up the good work Scrabman.
Scrabman only likes a few more subscribers to get his media mogul award.
Take a second and subscribe if you haven't done it yet. You may get close yourself one day and need a few to jump in to put you over the top.
@cam94509: Please, shut up until you know exactly what you are talking about. That was a compleat dumbsh*t thing to say since you dont apperently know anything.
All I know is the war games advanced me tenfold today. Keep them alive. Voted.
Here's how it works, as I see it.
If you are relatively new, and have relatively low strength, build up your strength in the wargames. When you get strong enough, apply to the NG's mobile division (the 3rd Cavalry, I think) or the Marines. It'll probably take 3-4 months to qualify, depending on your level of activity.
I was somewhat surprised when I went through my friends' list last night, and saw how many are overseas fighting for our allies. It was in fact, about half of my friends' list. Anyone who thinks we're not helping our allies is woefully misinformed.
Invading Russia right now would active massive MPP's against us, result in the loss of mountains of American gold, and contribute to the international opinion that America is weak and stupid.
I'm not saying we should never invade Russia. I'm only saying that this is a chess game, and we need to pick the moment with great care, or we will certainly lose.
If you're absolutely dying to fight in a "real" war, and the Marines or NG mobile division have not called you, you are free to do so by stocking up on weapons in the US (I've never seen them this cheap), moving tickets, and flying to Transylvania, or any other Romanian territory with a Q5 hospital. They will see to it that you see plenty of "real" war.
Jon Barack Bluejacket
wake me up when its over
@ Zoli and Quicksilver. You the PEACE people like to ask difficult questions, but I have 1 for you as well.
Why Brazil is not returning Mesopotamia to Argentina if both countries are members of PEACE?
Good article. The point to keep imo is that this is a game. Now when I suscribed I liked the concept of an eWorld but did not realize that this is more a War game than anything else until a few days later. I've kept going because I'm still curious.
I do wish that sports were introduced in this game so there could be another option to being a soldier...
Help Greece in our next RWar
What a mess. R we just putting ALL USA FIGHT IN RUSSIA on every article???
Scrabman is very well thought out and dilligent individual and makes for a great President. The war in Russia is going well as far as I can tell, granted I'm pretty new at this game but you've got my support and I look forward to figuring out how to fight in the Russian war and subsequent war games you put together.
GO USA!!
And now that you r in asia go for HIG IRON region
http://www.erepublik.com/en/region/Heilongjiang" target="_blank">http://www.erepublik.com/en/region/Heilo[..]iang
This shoud be US main goal in Asia
Conquer Far Eastern Region then Heilongjiang
Oil in RealLife = Iron in erepublik