Putting the Infrastructue Debate to Rest: 3 Q5s or Bust
Woxan
Background
Our hospitals BEFORE the invasion. All save 1 are gone. Over a thousand GOLD in investment at the least. Do we want to make that same error in investing again?
On July 14, 2009, PEACE invaded the United States of America, which at the time had 46 hospitals, low retention rates, and a divisive population. Fast forward 3 months: the USA has reclaimed all 51 of her regions, had 2,500 more active citizens, and only 2 Q5 hospitals.
Currently, we have 3 Q5 Hospitals. Here is the rationale for why they've been place
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California
Population: 5900
Wall: 885,000
Cost to Attack: 1,475 GOLD
- High Grain
- High Oil
- High Real Life Population
- High Amount of Companies
- Strategic Bottleneck
Florida
Population: 8051
Wall: 1,207,650
Cost to Attack: 2,012.75 GOLD
- High Real Life Population
- Strategic Bolt hole
-High Amount of Manufacturing Companies
Karnataka
Population: 2393
Wall: 358,950
Cost to Attack: 648.25 GOLD
- High Iron
As you can see, these are some pretty tough regions. Not only are they a doozey to attack, they're expensive as hell to tank down.
Fortress Strategy
The United States has 51 states. At first glance, this a curse. Dozens of useless regions. This line of though is incorrect. 51 states is a blessing in disguise. With 51 original states, we can easily retreat and reengage at will. Many of our allies cannot afford to retreat any regions at all, due to infrastructure or resources. This forces our enemies into situations where they may get trapped (Alaska/Washington bottleneck. New England bottlebeck), and blocked by our allies Canada or Spain.
A distributed population makes it impossible to employ fortress strategy, makes our fortress regions weaker, and lower the total number of fights we can bring to the battlefield.
In addition, it costs thousands of gold simply in battle costs to attack the United States. It's also been adopted by Spain and Norway and Finland, who have also had the experience of clearing their apocalyptic infrastructure.
Common Misconceptions
1. Q4 Hospitals Will Help Citizen Retention in Large States and Make Us Stronger!
This was guise that fooled many of our citizens pre-invasion. I was one of them. I had the mentality that it was only 1 fight. What happens when you have 500 people who think that? That's 500 wasted fights. We had hundreds who refused to leave Tennessee, Virgina, Texas, and California, and move to Florida or New Jersey.
2. Low Hospitals Will Keep Citizens Around!
Another common misconception. As seen with pre-war vote totals and as a personal observer, low q hospitals do not aid in citizen retention in the slightest. All of the truly active citizens move to a fortress region, and the ones who refuse to move still make us stronger by creating tax revenue.
When Can We Put Down More Hospitals?
The answer is simply more citizens or another highly valuable region (Iron or Diamonds, or an Strategic Outpost), is acquired. Putting down anymore would destroy the advantage our current fortresses hold.
This is Woxan, hoping to put the infrastructure debate to rest.
Comments
Boated.
Lt. Scheisskopf
http://www.erepublik.com/en/newspaper/stars-and-stripes-journal-191155/1" target="_blank">http://www.erepublik.com/en/newspaper/st[..]155/1
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Voted and agreed.
also interesting.
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Boo
Science H. Logic!
Hospitals in New York and Heilongjiang. !
voted
You could also ad😛
-Large number of companies
to Florida and California.
1000% yes
HMM... this is a true debate and I guess I believe a little more with you Woxam
Genius!
Good point Astra, added.
No problem. 🙂 Just one of the things we consider in Infrastructure Committee in Congress. 😉
Boated!
Voted for truth.
/debate
I love you, Woxan. <3
Wait till v.2 then we can all talk
hmm, another in Penn would help though. Increase the New England bottleneck? or would that just fuck up Canada's blocking?
So will the US be prepared in case of a baby boom to handle the load of people that will inevitably need to move?
Ace_Blazer, yes. The bulk would likely come into California or Florida regardless due to rl pop.
"So will the US be prepared in case of a baby boom to handle the load of people that will inevitably need to move?"
Yes, absolutely.
100% agree Woxan. Q2 hospitals in every state are also known as "firewood" when invaders come through. Lots of pretty buildings they get to burn down and laugh at us for wasting our gold.
Great response, I certainly agree with your rationale. Voted.
-AC Kraynor
agreed 100%
I still disagree. Place Q2 hospitals in higher RL population regions. Maybe the top 10 including CA and FL. This helps keep more potentially productive citizens alive to adolescence and adulthood at which time if they are serious they will see the benefit of and agree to move to the fortress states.
As mentioned before, those that will not move are not going to move regardless and will still contribute tax revenue to the eUS, but with a Q2 hospital in their region they can at least contribute 2 fights to battles, which is more than what they would or could do if they refused to move and did not have a Q2 hospital in their region.
Florida's hospital was completely Justinious's choice, you silly goose. It was never placed because it was "strategic".
same thing in china
Loggia, while it is a relatively poor place compared to other locations, it only borders 2 other states, and is on the other side of the country from our main enemies.
Hoamley, why spend over 200 GOLD on those Q2s when I can buy 800 tickets with them instead? 800 people fighting 2 times a day for months or 800 people fighting 5 times a day right away?
I agree.
voted.
/debate
Awesome article.
Good in theory, good sir. But all too often we fail to get those 800 tickets in the hands of those who need them until it is too late.
I don't completely disagree with your argument, but I believe we would benefit from placing an additional 8 Q2 hospitals in the RL highest populated states. Of course we need to continue to work on our social interaction programs so that we don't leave our babies to die. If we can properly educate our new players we won't need the 8 additional Q2 hospitals, but we have been failing in large part to reach the majority of our influx of new players in time.
We finally have some debate going on in America to decide important things. 😃 a great thing.
I was convinced earlier by Aeros' article but this has changed my mind.
voted
How many points to def systems and hospitals add to the wall of a region? Besides the fact that the hospital brings in citizens
Florida is a curse!
I find it funny Americas greatest fortress and only state never to fall as consequence was done in the face of most the ruling establishment viewing it as the mistake of a single man : P
Florida was put where it was precisely because it was right next to one of our biggest enemies (at that time) Portugal. Also because as Robert Loggia points out Justinious wanted it there, I think he may have been Senator at the time?
And Florida's Q5 has been an a pox on the US ever since.
>We finally have some debate going on in America to decide important things. 😃 a great thing.
We had it before and trust me, it wasn't great then.
This is the most concise discussion of the fortress strategy that I've seen so far. Excellent work, Woxan. Hope you'll run again for President!!!
awesome analysis. That's why im subbed 😃
I wonder if the Fortress concept with become a dinosaur with the new scary module...
Great as always Wox.
i agree with woxan. however when the time does come... q5 hospitals should be the goal and scattered near the bottleneck points (ie ny or maybe md).
Agreed.
Nice Wox
> We finally have some debate going on in America to decide important things.😃 a great thing.
Didn't we debate about "important" things before? Like right before we got invaded and reduced to one state? Hmmmm....
I never liked Florida as a fortress, I moved to New Jersey before that because I hated the thought of living in Florida
I look at Q5 hospitals like crack... "C'mon... c'mon, man. Just one more. I'll get you back. C'mon... for old times' sake? Just one more Q5 hospital..."
But in all seriousness, I think the fortress strategy is working. I would also suspect the admins would want to change something in the game mechanics to make it either a) not work or b) work, but penalize fortress states for being "overpopulated" or some such nonsense.
excellent point lasov
until we know how the admins will change the game, why should we begin work on a new system based on the old rules
Is there any estimate on a date for V2?
YES WOXAN YES!
i been trying to have some body to start building up the country sence we kick the huns out!
i do think that etexas and enew york needs it do population
and ewashington for defense.
I was here