I’ll make you an offer you cannot refuse
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Zoli
I’ve been playing this game for more than 9 months. I’ve been here when the war between Romania and Hungary broke out; I fought each day when there was an active battle in this war.
This war beside all the bad things involved in wars it had many upsides. I meet many great man and woman on both sides of the front. I lived in both countries. The war did not push us apart, it brought us closer. It was a love and hate relations, be argued a lot, we fought a lot, but finally each time we hugged and got along well. This way Romanian meet the Hungarians (Quicksilver, Weis Manfred Huba, Kovacskoko, Sanya18, Toth Tamas and many others) while Hungarians got acquainted with Romanians (Dsalageanu, Smif, Pristanda, Han Solo, Sebahmah, Alex Craciun, The_Mihai, Danok, diu1so and many others). Although some of the steps taken by both sides where not always appreciated by the other side we are at war, and this influenced the relations. But we must build our relations on mutual respect. As Dsalageanu said there is always going to be a border between Hungary and Romania, the only question is if it will be to the east or to the west of the current border.
The biggest issue between Romania and Hungary is trust. I would welcome a gentleman’s agreement, but in this case it will not work. We need a contract in which we should stipulate the terms and conditions of ending the war. Taking into account the Hungary attacked in January just to block the invasion of Russia I understand why Romanians do not trust Hungary. Taking into account that Romania never had a true peace proposal and that during the last battle for SGP in exchange of giving back all territories has asked Hungary to retreat when the wall was at -110K I understand why Hungarians do not trust Romania.
Let’s have a signed contract and we can end this war.
1. To Hungarians
The medium and long term goal of Hungary was to get back all regions. But if this happens now what will we do? Nobody thought it will happen this soon. We must focus on building up a strong economy, on helping our allies by fighting from home; we must focus on increasing the rank of our army. Those who want to fight Romania will be able to do it through Ukraine, Indonesia and other countries involved in wars with Romania.
Many people came here to liberate Hungarian territories and it’s possible and even probable than population of Hungary will decrease if we get all territories back. We are afraid because we would have no goals. We must get all regions back, close the war with Romania and find a new goal a new purpose to play this game.
2. To Romanians
Romania never had a serious peace offer. All offers had a catch, there was no guarantee that Romania will respect its promise. It was about liberating regions through RW’s – why not direct attack where all could fight, or to retreat from battles where Hungarians pushed down the wall to -110K. We need a contract, a firm agreement, not only promises and nice looking proposals.
This peace is needed by both Hungary and Romania. Romania has no real interest in the last 3 Hungarian regions it has under control. Let’s put everything in a contract and solve the problem – I know off promises made and broken so there is the trust issue.
3. To Hungarian allies and PEACE
Hungary has many things to thank to its allies and PEACE, but do not forget that Hungary has given many things back. Hungary has grown and it represents one of the pillars of stability inside PEACE. Looking at the last battle statistics we can all see that despite the fact that Hungary did not do most of the damage it has the most fights. These soldiers will grow in strength and rank, and Hungary’s contribution to PEACE operations will grow.
Currently the main role of Hungary in PEACE is blocking Romania. Hungary deserves more. There are other countries that can do that – Ukraine is the perfect country. It is more expensive but can serve that purpose. A couple of MPP’s with Ukraine, and Romania will never attack them fearing there activation and a direct route to Podolia.
I expect from all parties to make Hungary an offer we cannot refuse. Romania put your offer in a contract. Hungarian Government keep your word that your main goal is to have all regions back and accept a written proposal from Romania. PEACE countries rejoice that Hungary will receive all territories and rethink the strategy.
The ball is in the Romanian court. Let’s have a written contract.
P.S. Please comment in English as I will advertise this in more countries.
Comments
Matzaaa!
Yes, let's make an agreement, a contract, whatever to satisfy both countries, nations, people.
Let's put as many conditions and clauses into it as many necessary in both - or all - sides.
Let's not trust each other if we cannot - just see the best interest for all of us and make them into a solid contract.
Let's focus on what is really important and not to empty slogans.
Let's leave the big mouths and egos behind and start talking about realities.
Let's make peace (or ceasefire or whatever it can be) here, so we can all fight elsewhere.
Let's finally clean a festering wound, so that with time it can heal.
Zoli and quicksilver.. i don't like you and i don't trust you, but i respect you.
the problem is that you've left moreau, hekkat, shaok in charge, now you pay the consequences.
Puliii!
make love ,not war🙂
nice
I agree.Make peace.
Quicksilver, I totally agree with you.
Kovacskoko: your comment is out of order...
make peace 🙂!
Sebahmah I will back or not Hungarian leaders decision when it's there turn. But the first step is to see a written proposal to be signed by both parties.
Hungary gets all her lands back and we sign a peace treaty. our allies of Russia and Ukraina will fight alone (well, with the rest of the PEACE).
PEACE's nr2 country would abandon her allies.
no! as a congressman i would only sign a peace treaty if not only Hungary, but also Russia and Ukraine would be liberated!
everything else is a treachery towards our allies. doing this we would only deserve being kicked from PEACE.
join peace to make peace 😉
Husky: You know what puli is?
@Zoli84 - Hungary has MPP with Russia and Ukraine so verybody who wants to fight will be able to do it. We can help Ukraine and Russia with those MPP's.
And Zoli84 do not forget that you are a congressman of Hungary not Ukraine or Russia. Your No.1 duty is towards Hungary, and not other nations.
Zoli: but we are members of PEACE. We can't accept a proposal without having our allies secured too...
NO. We will not make a contract with you. You had a contract with Germany and Austria and you did not respected. After that you said that "there are no penalties written there so nothing you can do about it" You have no honor and and in the last days even your so called moderates as quicksilver, proved that you has a single motivation in this game - YOUR RL HATE. So live with your hate and fight if you can afford it. Or beg for Indos help.
@Zoli we can only fight with our MPP-s if Romanians are stupid enough to attack original Russian and Ukrainan lands. This case around 7-8 PEACE MPP-s will be activated and Romania will be reduced to her original borders. you know this will never happen.
Yeah my n1 duty is Hungary: Hungary's reputation, Hungary's position at PEACE and in the international community, Hungary's friends.
@Zoli: de ce minti?
"Romania never had a serious peace offer. All offers had a catch, there was no guarantee that Romania will respect its promise."
Good initiative. Talking is always a good solution. Nevertheless Zoli, the ball is NOT in Romanian hands. Not any more.
I have requested repeatedly from the Hungarian leadership their position regarding the peace (if they have any).
I am still waiting patiently.
@zoli told you your people don't want peace
hungary's power is based on rl hate towards romanians.
the current leaders are afraid that when this peace will be signed the hungarian players will loose their motivation.
the original goal of hungary was: get back the lands taken by eRomania.
now this goal has changed to: fight the romanians even if they give back the conquered lands.
the hate is too much, this is a game ... find another goal ... don't bring the rl hate into the game
@Levix: and what if it's not hate towards you, but love towards our friends? (Russia, Ukraine)
levix, there are on both side RL hates. I hope, that the hateful people on both side are marginal.
We cannot ask for peace ourselves and we shouldn't give in to the threats.
Ok, so you have many thousands new players. Great.
We'll just have to fight you and create articles in RL media, asking the nationalists-extremists hungarian-haters join the game.
You already did that by calling the "Romanian-haters".
And NO, we should not give back regions that it's obvious you cannot afford to recover.
For what? For WSR? Already lost it.
For peace? You can attack the next day.
What we do need is to increase our population and I hope you will start being a REAL threat and defeat us soon. Because, honestly, we have no reasons to bring in any extremist 13yr olds .. we are strong and you are weak.
Get stronger and stop spamming.
That's the only "bad" thing you can do to us. Spamming.
Hungary? We should have erased it from the map when we had the chance. I totally agree with Han Solo.
Hungarians are not people you can trust. You evan backstab your allies. Remember Germany?
Han, levix: I don't hate You. But we have allies. You need this peace only to have your western borders secured and not because of hate or friendship...
@Zoli84: saying that would make you in fact, a hypocrite.
@zoli84
russia and ucraine friend of hungary?
since when? what is the base of this friendship in this game? i'm not sure if there are ucrainian players in this game.
@FSix
i hope also that those people who are driven by hate in this game, will be marginalized ... but i observe sadly that eHungary's politics is driven by the hate towards eRomania. On eRomanian side there are also people driven by hate but not in the government, they are not leaders. They are not the main stream in eRomania.
Voted.
I agree with a written contract. A written contract made by admins. An "in-game" contract. eRepublik admins should have developed a justice system by now.
@Zoli84 - We can and we will conquer any region we want without activation of a single MPP. It's just a matter of time.
levix: let me try again! "You need this peace only to have your western borders secured and not because of hate or friendship." And the newcomers were coming from a liberalist website...
Germany is no friend of us (though in the past it was almost so), they showed it in the whole Austria-affair. But you know it perfectly well, since they dallied with Atlantis as well as PEACE... playing out one against the other. They cheated us, not the other way round.
Sith, Han Solo
How many times did you backstabed other countries by TOs? How many times did you robbed those countries?
You are speaking on a high horse...
When we start counting the others' sins - that is when we lose all chance of talking and /or agreeing about anything.
@kovacskoko
romania want's this peace because it will be a strategic advantege for him in the game. that's true.
so why don't you sign this peace? it will be a strategic advantege to you also. having the lands back and the eastern border will be secured.
and now let me try again: hungary will have no role in this game. hungary's role is the war with romania.
@Koko: We don't care about western front. You may attack us to block our eastern front. We have still an option. Retreat button. But for you to attack , well you need at least 700 gold only to initiate this. Spend them if you have it. Pay for your territories.
And regarding peace discussions, well there will be no more peace discussions between us until quicksilver will publish an article in every country of the eworld expressing her apologies and hungary official apologies for all those words said by her yesterday.
No more talks with persons full of RL hate.
@ Tacheshun: So can we do. Just like we did in Szeged, and Siberia.
@ Levix: since we both suffer under Romanian oppression. there are allies and friends in this game and we won't abandon them. we like them for some reason, they like us. Sad for Atlantis if you don't know what am i talking about.
@ Mistwalker: i must repeat myself: if for a Romanian it's hypocrisy to stand by an ally, i wouldn't be yor ally at Atlantis.
levix: while you are threatening our allies, it has no advantage for us. Our role is now really to block your movements (it means war with eRomania).
Han: why are you so upset about Quicksilver? Did i missed something?
i dont know why but i feel the sin counter for hungary has just started. with increased stength obviously comes great temptation.
i do belive peace is unimaginable right now by the hungarians.
wait, i just found out a offer that hungary cant refuse: romania should retreat from all the regions and disappear from the map. and all romanian players should erase their accounts. Hungary will definitely sign peace 🙂
Romania’s objective right now: get WSR, while Hungary’s is to get back the three remaining regions. The thing is, Romania cannot get WSR back until they made peace (or some sort of agreement) with Hungary. We also know, that if Romania makes a real effort at WSR, we can get our regions back anyway. Which leads us to the point that our true objective right now is not to get our regions back (that would be way too easy), but to prevent Romania achieving its goals. Some say this is because of our hatred towards Romanians, but they are wrong. It’s simply because we cannot think of any other realistic long term objective, and as long as we don’t formulate one, no peace or agreement will be made either.
For those Hungarians who want to make peace with Romania: don’t waste your time on working on peace proposals, but rather try to think of a long term objective for Hungary that the majority of us could share.
Victor Petrescu: "For peace? You can attack the next day."
This is the whole issue in my opinion. Without a contract, why should anybody trust anybody? Bring forward a written agreement, then we can all say "Romania scewed us" or "Hungary refuses peace". But until then, what are we talking about? I heard that a friend heard that Quicksilver once heard that dsalageanu told his grandmother he wants peace with Hungary. And then i heard that Hektat likes torturing little furry animals, so he refused.
The things are simple:
1) do we want peace (i strongly feel that 50%+ on both sides does not want it, if not for else, then for the fun of war)
2) what are the terms offered by both countries?
my dream is to see a romanian - hungarian alliance.
i know this is is nightmare for some of you ... but this would be really nice. i know it's almoust inpossible ... but it's still my dream
Nincs ki a négy kereketek aláírok valami szart és megölitek a
játékot! OUG!
NICIODATA PACE CU MAGHIARII.
@655321: there is no other objective in the game right now besides world supremacy. indonesia and romania have succeed at a certain degree, usa and spain have failed. now hungary that is strong, the only path can be the path of war and conquest.
romania and indonesia had the luxury of easy targets on their borders. hungary is confined by strong enemies (romania and croatia) and by no so strong allies/neutrals ( germany, slovakia and austria. they are starting to feel the presure of wining.
we will have to sit and see history unfold 🙂
Han Solo, after somebody publishes the same kind of apology for renaming RMDP, I will do it.
Not in every country, mind you, that would be spam on the 100th degree. But first you owe an apology.
75% of romanians want a peace
10% of hungarians want it..
@sebahmah
sad but true
@Han Solo you better shout up.
You have no honor.
You're just a country thief, nothing more.
I think dsalageanu's opinion is clear....
No peace!
(if it counts, im so happy to hear it.... first time I want to talk about peace with Romania, is the time, when we have Transylmania 😉 )