[TTH] Elitism, when will it end...?
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Damn! I think I just became an elitist, you know you have made it when you have a group of citizens named after you. 'The Franklin Stoners', I would have gone with a simple 'The Stoners' or 'Stonerist'; but...I FN love it!
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Elitism. How's It Gonna End?
Elitist
a) A group of people who have established power in the 'metagame' and who protect this power by excluding those who would threaten it if said power were shared with them.
b) A group of citizens who feel they know what is best for everyone else.
Now let's get serious. I tidied up the definition used by Gnilraps (a non-elitist) and will accept it as a good working definition. I have also added a second definition of Elitist.
Gnilraps:
'There is, without question, a smallish group of eCitizens who wield control over the eUSA Forums. This in itself, I would hope, should not be enough to elicit complaints about elitism. It is the fact that this same eUSA Forum is the home of meta-congress. This is the rub. And since Congressional power is a still-relevant form of power in the (non-meta) game, the equity of a situation where the ingame powers can be altered by extra-game factors can be understood as potentially troublesome.'
First lets look at this statement: 'And since Congressional power is a still-relevant form of power in the (non-meta) game...'. Wow, is that an admission that the Congressional Forums on the Elitist Controlled eUSA Forum are meaningless? Second, yes it is the fact that the Congressional Forums are located on those tightly controlled forums; it is the fact that a group of citizens -some of whom can't even be called citizens- determine in game actions and who apparently feel that the Congressional Forums they house are not even relevant.
This same group of citizens, who it has been admitted both exist and does control the eUSA Forum; also believes that they know what is good for me and every other American Citizen. Now I don't know about you, but no one knows me better than me; no government should ever tell it's citizens how to think and act and then call them 'traitors' when they won't goose step to their drumming. It should never decide that a Dictatorship in America is what is best and then proceed to shove it down our collective throats via a tightly controlled Congress, a Congress it seems they believe is irrelevant OUTSIDE the game; once again I did not sign up to play eUSA Forum.
Gnilraps:
'Here’s a dirty little secret. I, Gnilraps, am not one of the elites...but I have not been shunned, mistreated, or otherwise screwed over by the elites.
What would be an outrage is if the elites used their Forum power to subversively limit the equal ability of their political enemies to make successful use of the Forum.'
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I am going to point to these two threads to illustrate how wrong you are about limiting their political opponents use of those forums. Even though I met every requirement stipulated in the first thread, every time I post about my latest article in General eRepublik Discussion it gets shoved into the second thread; when I respond in a thread contained in the PUBLIC Congressional Proceedings forum it is almost always trash canned. Pretty sure I am considered the enemy and my ability to use those forums is severally limited.
My political enemy Gnilraps has written a fine article and made many fine suggestions, I believe those suggestions should be given full consideration by my 'Stoner' friends and the SFP; however they deserve their own article. I want to thank Gnilraps, Deep Chill and Easy Company for everything they have done for me and every time they have stood up for me, I owe all of them a huge debt that I will never be able to repay. I will touch on only one last subject, I never advocated the demise of the eUSA Forum; I simply want Congressional Business brought back into eRepublik and if those forums die because of that...then they weren't much of a forum to begin with? So in closing let me again recommend you too join the Revolution and...
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TTH] Elitism, when will it end...?
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"b) A group of citizens who feel they know what is best for everyone else."
So, basically everyone who's ever run for Congress.
Also everyone you'd ever want to vote for congress.
"Proteus for Congress: My ideas will be bad for you"
Frank and I were in congress. I don't have to look far to find people that don't fit that mold.
People run for Congress because they think their ideas are best for the country. They believe their ideas and input are needed to do things correctly. If you're in the majority, then you get to make policy and execute it based on what you think is best. If you run for Congress in opposition then you're saying, "No, your ideas aren't right! My ideas are what's best for everyone!"
Why did SFP or BSP want people in Congress? They didn't believe that the ideas, people, and policies in congress were the best for the nation. They want their members in Congress because they want to implement their ideas, which they believe are best for everyone. This goes for every party and every congressman.
I'll have no part in a congress that elects a dictator.
Again you are broadcasting your interpretation of one guy, over the whole party.
Derphoof, ideally you are correct, but in reality, there are a lot of reasons people run for Congress - for a medal, to stir up drama, because there is a nice button they can click, to name a few - and many of these have a lot more to do with what is in the interests of the individual and/or a small group of friends than what is the best for the country. Ideally, a PP will be able to screen the worse candidates out, but surely you know this doesn't always happen.
Trrbl elitist unite!
Amend the constitution so "Congress" becomes "Elitist Cabal"
I mean, we've got the sway to do it, so why not?
Sure!
Why not?
GoTJ agrees!
/me engages (King of Elitist Cabal) Speaker Mode
I HAVE THE POWERRRRRRRRR
Seriously though FS, you should know that throughout history, liberators, and those who fight against "the man" often become dictators themselves. Many people in history were out to stop the "elitists" from controlling things, only to become what they were warning people against. Often, the ones that scream the loudest for others to join them in their march towards stopping "elitists" are those that want to be the elitists themselves for rather dubious reasons.
So the question is: Will the liberator(s) become another dictator? Just curious, more of a conversation question than a statement tbh.
seriously Ajay and so many others have wanted the reigns to power for there own little crowd, it is a question of how healthy of a game an individual player is after...The forums are full of haters, why would anyone what to encourage them toward more hate???
So what you are saying is that because I MIGHT become a Dictator we should simply let you stay on as Dictator.
I give supplies -meager as they are- to anyone who leaves a video, it seems to me that government -even though the programs are privately funded and I have met the requirements- supplies are only for those who march along with you and do not rock the boat.
I should jump on the "Twist Franklin Stone's words" bandwagon so I can be more accepted.
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An interesting read I got, thanks! One thing that is important that also normal people play a role in making an elite. The first thing we can change is us granting no one elite status.
http://eusaforums.com/forum/index.php/topic,32600.msg654698.html#msg654698
I want to thank the eUSA Forum for being true to form and verifying that they censor their enemies.
Once again my post about this article has been merged into the Mega Thread.
It's not "censoring their enemies."
That thread is the most consistently active thread on the Gen eRep boards precisely because you publish so many articles. We all read them and discuss them both in game and on the forums. It just so happens that you write prolificly and post a new thread for each article. It was done so that Gen eRep wouldn't simply be filled with your articles. If I wrote as much as you did and put every article in a new thread, I would also have a mega-thread. If Middletopia continues to post videos as frequently as he does, he may get his own video Mega-Thread.
That's why Mega Threads exist.
Whoa! Was that a compliment?
So because I or some other citizen are prolific writers who advertise their work we would fill 'Gen eRep' up with our article threads.
Wow.
I apologize for creating activity on those forum, that darn sure wasn't my intention. Seems to me the lack of active threads should tell you something....
Yeah, sure. I'll always compliment the amount of time and effort you put into the game, even if I disagree with a lot of what you might write.
There are plenty of active threads (15 since the month began, several with 15+ replies), but they only last as long as their article is in the media, more often than not. However, you have a steady stream of articles and discussion around them. So rather than having several threads for different articles, its much easier to keep all the discussion in one thread. It honestly makes it easier for me to keep up with all the articles and discussions.
'It honestly makes it easier for me to keep up with all the articles and discussions.'
Now that is the first totally honest thing I have heard out of any of us including me. Sorry I generate so much conservation, but isn't that what forums are for?
I remember when elite meant you could hack ma bell and talk to your mates in Europe for free. Times do change.
No, that was 1337. Not elite...
Once owned a Squawk box, a Black Box and a Red Box...all ways to dial the phone long distance without paying, those were the days when Superman and Dr Who actually had a phone booth to use....
Down with elite!
Let those, who have no experience and knowledge, run the country!
/r/ lock
Franklin do you ever just slow down and consider that the reason your ideas are not implemented iis that a majority just don't like them. You are a member of a party filled with like minded players. Those like minded players that stand with you, that's all you have. You're not a majority. The views of the majority run things. If your group manages to become a majority, then you can implement whatever you see fit. That's how it works.