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1. I'm totally opposed to another state owned q1 weapon company. The current training company is good to build up stockpiles slowly. The only thing a communal weapon company would spare is the usually tiny profit of private businesses. That's all. The tax such a scheme would spare by paying in weapons would spare that from the state. Besides employees would get their payment in a less convertible form. I see nothing good in this proposal, at all.

2. Level 5-10 people shouldn't use any weapons usually. For people with strength below 4.5-5 strength or so it's not really beneficial to use weapons. I'd rather focus on people with 4.5-10 strength with the funding.

As for the forums, you can talk to me as well about that.🙂

nagyzee, i was referring to experience level 5-10 NOT strength level. duh. Can't believe u made such a n00b mistake. hahahaha!

I didn't make any mistakes. I know you were referring to experience level. But level 5-10 people usually have very low strength where ranking up is not yet optimal. That's what my comment is about.

go look at tentera darat malaysia and for now 5 or less gold per week would be optimal.

such a useful information! 😉

i will write an article about everything hopefully today.

sorry that's ryan southcombe

Ryan, did you buy it from your own money?

No, because of their low strength. Weapons give a percentage boost to the damage so it's better to wait with them a bit till you build up some strength...

nagyzee - the company was formed, apparently from FUp donation.

as for the levelling up - sorry, i re-type after i went to read the articles i mentioned. You re right, after strength 5 - it's better (+200% damage). but this is not really the job of policy makers like us - no? the military commanders shuld have a better clue when to use their budget.


i think newbies can use the extra weapon more..no? esp when their wellness are generally 90-100, working at level 1 companies. With that, i leave it to the commanders to decide. i have read articles which state which level is optimal for weapons-levelinng..

I'm glad to see that you have changed your mind and that we are going to start these discussions. I was beginning to think that we were banging our heads against a wall in asking for the discussion. The whole point about a negotiated budget is that the TDM shows how the money will be spent, and then shows that that is how it has been spent. We can also discuss what information about army strength etc may be shared with the entire Congress - there are going to be limits on that for security reasons, I hope.

Re the weapons company: I expect that there will be a few of us who will simply work for the minimum wage and do not require weapons in payment. It's also a golden opportunity for prospective members of Congress at this time: get a job for 2 MYR at TDM Support and have your picture taken kissing a baby at the factory gates as you arrive for work. Result: A guaranteed seat in Congress.

Oh, and a Q1 weapon gives you 240% of the damage that fighting bare-handed gives you, not '+200%'. Just a small point.

"Get a job for 2 MYR at TDM Support and have your picture taken kissing a baby at the factory gates as you arrive for work. Result: A guaranteed seat in Congress."

Yeah, right. That would be a pretty sad reality.

My problems with the new weapon company:
1. Did Badlands17 agree to it? Was he even asked? It's still his government if I'm not mistaken.
2. Was the congress asked or informed about it? Every other company purchase by the state was discussed in congress.

i support this new company, though i just found out about it. but i think the congress and the president deserve to clear it off - evne though it is almost a private-funded initiative.

one of the biggest concerns, which would not be the case if vikta, gertrude, ryan are running the show, is military junta. someoen kindly reminded me of what happened in eRussia, eHungary and eIndonesia.

Jokes about kissing babies and other empty political gestures aside, if this company is going to run at all we should try to get the number of employees as close to 10 as we can so that we are not wasting potential productivity.

I am on Nagyzee's side: Whether or not the state is running another company shall be a decision in congress. And my personal view is that this "work for 2 MYR and contribute to the army" programme has a major drawback: People quitting their jobs, getting replaced, needing another job after returning from their turn in the army company ... this creates too much fluctuation and causes additional effort for company managers. Better ask for money donations than for work contributions.
I want to add that Ryan is doing a good job in making the public aware of an unsatisfactory situation: we have an army that does not have weapons. This needs to be solved. However, there may be better solutions than adding a weapons factory to TDM. First, we have already a state-owned weapons factory. We just need to set clear rules in which cases how many weapons are handed out to the army, and communicate these rules. Second, the new factory can easily be transferred to a private org and then either continue with Ryan's "work for the army" programme - with entirely private funding from parties or citizens - or (better!) pay salaries that people are willing to accept for a longer period while still paying less than the market and thus producing cheap weapons for the army.

Thingol, I had nothing to do with the creation of the TDM Support company, but I can see Ryan's frustration when it appeared that nobody in Congress seemed willing to even start discussions about a negotiated budget. I wish that there had been some response on that earlier than this. At the very least Ryan's action seems to have raised interest in the subject when my pleas could not.

Still, this is not the way to solve things. Apologies if I'm mistaken but to me it seems he had no authority whatsoever to start that company.

i will be writing an article about it later. oh and it was a privately funded initiative agreement that all thanks would go to fup. 2nd after the first day with 3 people working we have created 10 weapons. For free so thanks to all members of the government. i tried to talk to everybody i made clear intentions of wanting this company with no response. i was made deputy mod for a reason. and the reason was pretty clear why. this is a military company not a government one and so far have receive no congress, government or country donation for this. so it's clearly not in the hands of anybody but the military. oh and congress you don't want to work for it fine. don't work for it. but as being in the military this WILL be a secondary duty so if you are asked to work at the company you will. fluctuating company managers employee's maybe a problem but it is not all the time. and by the way i'm also going to be affected as i own a weapons company. if the weapons market wasn't so messed up i'd have workers. this should not affect people that much. either way i will write an article about this later. i am not a man of complete talk i'm a man of action. that's why i'm so god damn good at being an officer.
i tried peaceful talking. i tried agressive talking. i acted. you want to boot me from the military fine. but it seems that me and only a couple other seem to be doing anything with this.

Oh, not again. Is this a military coup or what? Last time I checked the MoD and deputy MoD were in the government.

And yes, if I was the president I'd fire you from your position right away. You know perfectly how it is with working in a hierarchy and you still made a decision you had zero authority to make. It's not like you do whatever you want, you are in a government for god's sake. So don't talk from the high horse! This is a largely pro-free market government and the military doesn't have companies because we don't want them to have companies as far as I know. That doesn't mean that if the deputy MoD doesn't like it then he can start state run weapon companies at his wish no matter where the money came from for it.

"don't work for it. but as being in the military this WILL be a secondary duty so if you are asked to work at the company you will."

Who the hell has allowed you to order members of the military to work for that company? Who the hell said that for being in the military one has to work for a military company? And that you can decide this alone?

This is one major letdown. I'm so disappointed in you.🙁

ok then transfer it to 3rd hell raisers platoon. personally if a private citizen had started up a company and said hey i'm giving all my weapons to you. who would turn that down. honestly. we may be part of the government we may have to go through ranks. but the fact is it was a gift to the military. so we have a weapons company why wouldn't we use it. fine i take back everything i placed the company in the wrong org. it's still a good idea and i'm done talking aboout that. you want my job fine fire me but you'll be getting me on a god damn war path.

If I donate the government a medium region q1 grain company is the government compelled to use it? Okay, it was a donation to a government body. So can the government freely do with the company whatever it wishes to do? (Sell it for money for example...) Also if I see it right it was another minister who made the donation. I wonder why none of you two could notify Badlands17 and the congress that hey, we are planning to donate a company...

And if you still think it's a good idea then you can freely do it privately even if the government turns you down. It's not like you can't start a company operating along that scheme on your own.

"you want my job fine fire me but you'll be getting me on a god damn war path."

And whatever did you mean by that?😮

Here is my point of view from my eUSA experience. Government Funded Weapons Companies for the Military are absolutely necessary! The same goes for Iron Companies. Relying on Training Companies to provide Weapons for the military and then the free market to fill in the remaining requirements is a recipe for failure.

In a real war, soldiers self-fund Weapons if the government can't supply 5 for all their fights. Supply on the free market dwindles. GMs respond by raising prices to make a fast buck. Soon the government won't buy off the free market because the price is too high, and soldiers can't afford to self-fund anymore. Without Weapons to fight with, you lose. I observed this happen during Operation French Toast (ATLANTIS's invasion of eFrance), and Operation Taco Bell (Uncle Sam's invasion of eMexico). By the time of Fortress America, the eUS government had some GC Weapons and Iron Companies, but not enough to supply their hundreds of soldiers. It is part of the reason why they got knocked down to just two regions; low level soldiers stopped receiving Weapons. They may be weak individually, but in numbers they are strong. But only half as strong without Weapons. eUSA's turn around in WW3 came at the same time as a vast restructuring of the military. Part of that restructuring included Government Controlled Iron and Weapons Companies located in eGreece. That is part of the reason why FORTIS/EDEN went from lose to win in the span of about a week.

Video Jack, your two examples don't fit well here for two reasons.
1. There is a huge overproduction pressure. Even during WW III weapon prices stayed quite moderate and after a few days stockpiles continued to increase slightly if I remember correctly. That was during a lengthy world wide conflict.
2. This is a small country, we can just move 1-2 orgs out in case of emergency and buy the needed weapons at the lowest world market prices in minutes if our weapons industry fails us for some reason.

Update on whats happening in your fellow Sol nation. South Africa.
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