[Japan]What about Your Other Allies?
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by Dishmcds
So, you've demanded the return all regions except Heliongjiang to their owners from Asia. I can see your logic, and accept it.
However, what about your other friends, or perhaps even, what about "Righteousness for All Nations", which is your philosophy?
What about France, the country who spent money defending China and Malaysia from their former PEACE allies? What about Peru, which is controlled by Poland and EDEN for it's high Iron?
What about Belgium, which was liberated to use as a mere satellite state?
If you're going to be "Fair and Righteous", then why not ask all to be "Fair and Righteous"?
We defended your sovereignty, and your ability to make your own decisions. I accept your logic, will you at least listen to ours? Do you think playing for one team against the other makes anything "Righteous"?
If you are Righteous, demand both. Indonesia and India already have a Non-Aggression Pact which negotiates the return of regions, and we're more than willing to listen (and always have been, but that's besides the point, since people are only going to troll). Will EDEN, whom you claim to be Righteous in their path, listen as well?
Sincerely
Just Another Guy
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If you are Righteous, demand both.
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You forgot about Bulgaria, Dish
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Yes, what about demanding the return of Peru to the native Peruvians, return Belgium to the native Belgian, stop the attack on Bulgaria... and then you accept pushing the retreat button.
Sounds a fair and righteous deal.
And ofc, return the French regions to the French.
You forgot SK as well, Japan Imperial 🙂
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Free Brussels and Flanders !
EDEN was never stated to be 'righteous', quit your propaganda. Also, I find it odd that PHOENIX can protect their own needs when the time comes to it, but on situations like these - how is it impossible for such 'great nations' to be incapable of winning over a much smaller force?
Or is it that you really don't care about your little guys so long as nothing is in store for your own gain?
You're asking for eJapan to become a world police when they're only concerned about the fate of their allies that PHOENIX continues to trample on. There's so much hypocrisy in every action made by both EDEN and PHOENIX that it burns to read.
You are already becoming World Police, "fighting for your allies". If you're going to be Righteous, then be Righteous.
If you're going to play puppet, admit it. Is France not your ally? Is Belgium not your ally? Do you not see the connection? o.O
>EDEN was never stated to be 'righteous', quit your propaganda.
They claim they are defensive. EDEN = Erepublik DEFENSE and Economic Network. Yet they aren't.
Plus Phoenix never claimed to be righteous either, your point ?
>You're asking for eJapan to become a world police when they're only concerned about the fate of their allies that PHOENIX continues to trample on. There's so much hypocrisy in every action made by both EDEN and PHOENIX that it burns to read.
Right, so don't be one sided in your demands.
following the righteous logic.
>You are already becoming World Police, "fighting for your allies". If you're going to be Righteous, then be Righteous.
So apparently 'fighting for your allies' is 'bad'. I'll keep that in mind when Indonesia, Hungary, and Russia all team up again. : )
>If you're going to play puppet, admit it. Is France not your ally? Is Belgium not your ally? Do you not see the connection? o.O
You're butthurt. We get it. We also get that you don't care about France or Belgium enough to make real contributions and defenses to make sure your 'allies' are safe. Therefore you're pushing the work on us so that you can brainwash more mindless zombies into your propagandist fields. China is closer, thus holds more priority. Perhaps if Indonesia decides to give those regions back, we'll help Belgium and France since the worlds great super powers seems incapable of doing it.
What a shotty world alliance you are. :🙂
What's going on in the Japanese president's head?
They stand up and fight America, sign an alliance with Hungary to let them do the same more easily then threaten to retreat.
It's is a very bizarre course of events. Why did they waste their MPP money and allow their allies money to be wasted just to throw a strop immediately afterwards?
>They claim they are defensive. EDEN = Erepublik DEFENSE and Economic Network. Yet they aren't.
I don't care about EDEN. I'm sure China doesn't either. Both EDEN and PHOENIX aren't righteous, so whoever liberates those regions fastest wins!
>Right, so don't be one sided in your demands.
PHOENIX should practice what it preaches, oh 500 Gold region ransomers.
So why not demand both Nowe? What good logic could you possibly come up with, other than serving the US needs while denying those of your other allies?
PS - Less trolling more logic would do your case some good. Mine is full of logic. Yours is full of crap.
>So why not demand both Nowe? What good logic could you possibly come up with, other than serving the US needs while denying those of your other allies?
Perhaps this is the reason PHOENIX is not viewed as a 'diplomatic' alliance, but more so as people who merely understand 'brute strength'. The answer to your question is right before you if you understand the basics of math.
>PS - Less trolling more logic would do your case some good. Mine is full of logic. Yours is full of crap.
Excuse me while I laugh at your bizarre statements of logic... which are none.
Nowe i dont think you understand the point of this article, Dish is saying how Japan want Phoenix to make sacrafices so they dont cooperate with EDEN and yet they ask nothing of EDEN even though EDEN attack their allies in France, Bulguaria and Belgium.
I know math. Demanding return of nations under Righteous Nation philosophy=ok, I get it.
Demanding *certain* regions returned under same philosophy=utter load of bullocks.
Perhaps you need to return to school?
Nowe, you make no sense at all.
>Nowe, you make no sense at all.
Your statement has no value in itself.
>Nowe i dont think you understand the point of this article, Dish is saying how Japan want Phoenix to make sacrafices so they dont cooperate with EDEN and yet they ask nothing of EDEN even though EDEN attack their allies in France, Bulguaria and Belgium.
>Japan making an enemy of BOTH alliances.
>>Japan getting destroyed by BOTH alliances.
>>>Japan destroying POLITICAL cards for the future.
Lrnpolitiks.
>Perhaps you need to return to school?
>Implying that Japan needs to make an enemy of both alliances to get results done.
In fact, I'm beginning to think EDEN has a bit more diplomatic value. le-gasp!
Last statement before I play RO.
If you're one person, and you appear with a bully behind you to another bully. You tell the bully in front of you that it's payback time unless your friends pokemon cards is given back to him. Now, the bully behind you is eager to pound the bully in front of you. BY YOUR LOGIC, you would turn around and tell the bully behind you to give your other friend who lives in another city his bike back.
What do you think both bullies would do?
>Japan making an enemy of BOTH alliances.
>>Japan getting destroyed by BOTH alliances.
>>>Japan destroying POLITICAL cards for the future.
Lrnpolitiks.
What? I dont understand the point your trying to make.
Then if you aren't truly going to be "Righeous", don't pretend to be.
Japan can be righteous, and frankly it has nothing anyone wants except Kyushu. The Americans want a landbridge to Asia, Hungary, Iran, and Indonesia want to keep America out of Asia. This is a well known fact.
Japan spent months declaring the region swap with Indonesia as a bad thing. That's cool. The new guard in Japan isn't cool with it. We get it.
Now, you're playing with an EDEN-coop (China) to force Phoenix to give up regions. Ok, we get that too. No one is saying the logic there is invalid.
HOWEVER, under your own National Philosophy, you're not being very Righteous. You're playing to alleviate regions in China, while forgetting the regions the other side controls which have the same exact value. Peru was PTO'd for it's Iron, France was halved by Spain, Belgium was "liberated" in the open as a satellite state, all of which, Japan fought against as a Country.
As I said in the OP, if you want to be Righteous, cool. Then actually be Righteous. That means not playing to one alliance or the other, which is exactly what you're doing.
You seem to be missing the point. If Japan were truly serving America's interests, he would have retreated Kyushu the first time.
The simple fact is that the current CP, and presumably the population that elected him, feel that they lost their honor when they allowed Indonesia to use them as a stepping stone to North America.
Having now redeemed their honor (albeit to serve the SAME masters who took it from them)Japan now feels obligated to step forward to take their place in the global community. Don't you suppose that if he were still serving American interests instead of Pan-Asiatic ones, he'd have demanded the release of ALL occupied territories INCLUDING Hello Kitty?
Everyone blames japan for fighting the USA to keep there region acting like it was the wrong thing any other country would of done the same Japan is not helping all these other suppressed country's yes but i don't see other strong country's attempting to help them either USA made the wrong choice in an attempt to help they jumped to a war they lost Japan gets accused of being with groups cs they protected THEIR country which is there free right and an argument over it is beyond pathetic
Chris Dakteer: "You seem to be missing the point. If Japan were truly serving America's interests, he would have retreated Kyushu the first time."
"Japan" is not the issue - Dokomo is.
He could not retreat Kyushu right away as he would be finsihed, impeached and ousted as a traitor of Japan.
So, he did not retreat, but did everything in his power to make Japan lose the battle.
If Japan were serving Pro-Asian interests, they would also include South Korea, yes?
I think the point is quite clear, since I wrote the article. o.O
Azaelll: Where did anyone say Japan was dishonourable? I fought there, and am asking why they won't negotiate the release of all their allies regions, not just the ones they chose. I don't see how that's calling anyone pathetic?
Threatening to retreat Kyushu in demand for China's regions isn't the act of Phoenix. o.O
That's all well and good. I know where Dokomo is coming from on that one, and his logic is ok. I don't agree, but ok.
I just want equality amongst all Japan's allies, including France, Belgium, Peru, and Bulgaria. One ally cannot outweigh the other.
Deleted the last one cus it made no sence oncei read it over XD
what i said is that i didn't call the people pathetic just this argument that iv read articles of people insulting japan for defending there region something any country would of willingly done that your not sure the leader of USA for example after taking these regions for the Allie China would eventually give them back might just keep them for themselves and that Dokomos choice to leave the region this time apparently using that as a threat in the other article was stupid i dont know why people are saying where trying to be the police of the world nor do i understand where all this japans being self righteous stuff is coming from country's keep to themselves i dont see every single country flocking to save china but only Japans taking the heat for
Once eFrance has been in broken down negotiations for, say, six months, I suggest eJapan get right on it and try to enforce a solution.
This is horrible logic, but every bit as reasonable as Arthk's logic. Stalling indefinitely in no shape or form represents "good faith", "peaceful", or "diplomatic".
Vote, good point.
If America wants to be righteous let them free Peru first (from their allies, Poles) and other countries that have boon enslaved by EDEN.
Who's stalling indefinitely? We're asking why you won't ask for the other regions along with your list of "demands".
How is that stalling, again?
What about our other allies? I can answer that: one problem at a time. Japan is rank 27 in the world (before phoenix's tanks arrived), you cant expect us to solve all the problems of the New World instantly. As Nowe said, we would love to help Peru, Belgium and France, but as a small nation we can only tackle one issue at a time.
We also understand neither Phoenix nor Eden is honorable or trustworthy, but we see how we can use USA to help China. I hope the US truly help China get back on it's feet, because if the US start oppressing China, it is our duty as the Righteous Nation to do what we must to help the underdog again.
As for attempting to single out Dokomo for this: many eJapanese stand behind him in this decision. Sure there are dissenting voices, but i hope eJapan as a whole understand that we shall live and die by our principles.
Enishi: You're using one region to hold five countries hostage. I think that one act is plenty to show that you're capable of including your other allies, the ones who have actually fought for you, and vice versa, in this.
>They claim they are defensive. EDEN = Erepublik DEFENSE and Economic Network. Yet they aren't.
Please cite sources or back up your wild accusation. Thanks in advance
@Dishmcds: The problem with being a small nation is that large nations tend to ignore you, because when it comes to violence the large nation prevails.
Yes, Japan somehow managed the feat of having five powerful countries hostages, but not because of it's ideals or armies. It's because the US wants to project force into Asia. The US is no saint, but it possesses the power and the will to help China. Using the Phoenix VS EDEN conflict to help the underdog. Kyushu is our bargaining chip with Phoenix.
We are aware of Belgium, France and Peru suffering under EDEN countries, but we have no bargaining chip against them. Perhaps one day we could have a thousand field marshals touting Q5 guns, then we can help them through direct military action, but that day is far. For now, we will do what good we can with what resources we have available.
Kurohito,
What does surrendering Kyushu, and letting US into Asia, have to do with returning the regions to their "owners"? Do you simply put your faith into EDEN, or...?
Enishi Itoshiki: "Using the Phoenix VS EDEN conflict to help the underdog. "
How does war between EDEN and PHOENIX in Asia help the underdog?
"We are aware of Belgium, France and Peru suffering under EDEN countries"
So, nations already suffer under EDEN, but you're all for letting EDEN into Asia, because it will end the suffering? What?
When Phoenix does the right thing there will be no need to put faith in EDEN. The only way that will become necessary is if the stalling continues.
Kurohito: "When Phoenix does the right thing there will be no need to put faith in EDEN. The only way that will become necessary is if the stalling continues."
So, let's assume PHOENIX does not do "the right thing", and refuses the ultimatum.
You are then going to put your faith into EDEN in doing "the right thing"? What is the basis for your faith in EDEN?
Honestly, very little. I would not be surprised at any outcome in Asia after you turn an MPP loaded eUSA loose in Asia. All the more reason to do what Arthk said was going to happen anyway before Sunday.
There is no logic in what you're saying. Russia has activated MPP-s against USA, also. And there are Iran and Indonesia already in Asia. Odds are stacked against the US, but also against any of the countries helping them invade.
So, you admit that you have very little basis for your faith in EDEN to "do the right thing" (even if they managed to win against PHOENIX in Asia), but you are willing to risk EVERYTHING - based on that faith.
That would be the action of a madman, you certainly don't strike me as one, I must have been missing something out?
>but we have no bargaining chip against them
you do have. You have the power to retreat, and it's on their interests that you do that.
You could always say "we wont retreat unless you do this"
am I right?